John Bingham wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:43 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:24 am
Plastic is a godsend. Before plastics, the average family had 1 bed. For the entire family. And 1 table, 1-2 bench chairs, and 1 single person chair.

Yeah, we were lucky to get those plastic beds and furniture. What the fuck are you on about?

Referring to newkidontheblock
I have never seen a plastic bed in my lifetime. Do you mean beach chairs?
I know people in Kurdistan who can afford western furniture, which is predominat here, but choose to sit and sleep on n the floor on blankets and mattresses like they did in former times. Anyway, plastics have made many things easier but that doesn’t mean it’s the best choice. There are many many alternatives. Additionally, most plastics are made of oil. If the Industry of a country would focus on alternative materials it would reduce its dependency on oil as well.

DrRawBlueGreen wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:19 am

John Bingham wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:43 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:24 am
Plastic is a godsend. Before plastics, the average family had 1 bed. For the entire family. And 1 table, 1-2 bench chairs, and 1 single person chair.

Yeah, we were lucky to get those plastic beds and furniture. What the fuck are you on about?

Referring to newkidontheblock
I have never seen a plastic bed in my lifetime. Do you mean beach chairs?
I know people in Kurdistan who can afford western furniture, which is predominat here, but choose to sit and sleep on n the floor on blankets and mattresses like they did in former times. Anyway, plastics have made many things easier but that doesn’t mean it’s the best choice. There are many many alternatives. Additionally, most plastics are made of oil. If the Industry of a country would focus on alternative materials it would reduce its dependency on oil as well.

Plastics are essential in medicne amongst other things. i don't think you can use paper tubes in a dialysis machine or for drips for example.
1) most western countries just send their waste to china to be burnt as a way of dodging the bullet or paying for recycling.
2) plastic starws are not the problem, its the number of plastic straws that is the problem. get rid of some people and its not a big issue anymore
3) most of the plastic that is in th e ocean is thrown overboar from boats. Ban plastic containers for crew and passengers and it would go a long way to solving the oceans problems.

pczz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:57 am

DrRawBlueGreen wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:19 am

John Bingham wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:43 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:24 am
Plastic is a godsend. Before plastics, the average family had 1 bed. For the entire family. And 1 table, 1-2 bench chairs, and 1 single person chair.

Yeah, we were lucky to get those plastic beds and furniture. What the fuck are you on about?

Referring to newkidontheblock
I have never seen a plastic bed in my lifetime. Do you mean beach chairs?
I know people in Kurdistan who can afford western furniture, which is predominat here, but choose to sit and sleep on n the floor on blankets and mattresses like they did in former times. Anyway, plastics have made many things easier but that doesn’t mean it’s the best choice. There are many many alternatives. Additionally, most plastics are made of oil. If the Industry of a country would focus on alternative materials it would reduce its dependency on oil as well.

Plastics are essential in medicne amongst other things. i don't think you can use paper tubes in a dialysis machine or for drips for example.
1) most western countries just send their waste to china to be burnt as a way of dodging the bullet or paying for recycling.
2) plastic starws are not the problem, its the number of plastic straws that is the problem. get rid of some people and its not a big issue anymore
3) most of the plastic that is in th e ocean is thrown overboar from boats. Ban plastic containers for crew and passengers and it would go a long way to solving the oceans problems.

I don’t say we should boycott plastic but we definitely need to reduce it. Ofc plastics are materials that we need to use nowadays more than ever, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldnt exchange them with other materials that are more environmental friendly, if possible.

DrRawBlueGreen wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:07 am

pczz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:57 am

DrRawBlueGreen wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:19 am

John Bingham wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:43 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:24 am
Plastic is a godsend. Before plastics, the average family had 1 bed. For the entire family. And 1 table, 1-2 bench chairs, and 1 single person chair.

Yeah, we were lucky to get those plastic beds and furniture. What the fuck are you on about?

Referring to newkidontheblock
I have never seen a plastic bed in my lifetime. Do you mean beach chairs?
I know people in Kurdistan who can afford western furniture, which is predominat here, but choose to sit and sleep on n the floor on blankets and mattresses like they did in former times. Anyway, plastics have made many things easier but that doesn’t mean it’s the best choice. There are many many alternatives. Additionally, most plastics are made of oil. If the Industry of a country would focus on alternative materials it would reduce its dependency on oil as well.

Plastics are essential in medicne amongst other things. i don't think you can use paper tubes in a dialysis machine or for drips for example.
1) most western countries just send their waste to china to be burnt as a way of dodging the bullet or paying for recycling.
2) plastic starws are not the problem, its the number of plastic straws that is the problem. get rid of some people and its not a big issue anymore
3) most of the plastic that is in th e ocean is thrown overboar from boats. Ban plastic containers for crew and passengers and it would go a long way to solving the oceans problems.

I don’t say we should boycott plastic but we definitely need to reduce it. Ofc plastics are materials that we need to use nowadays more than ever, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldnt exchange them with other materials that are more environmental friendly, if possible.

Sorry but i don't buy all this save the planet stuff. for the simple reason that its the number of people causing the problem. We are way beyond sustainable levels of human population. When pigs get out of control in the wild we cull them, and rabbits and every other damn crittter to restore the balance. Until we reduce the population, the problems will keep on coming. I have no doubnt in 10 years someone will complain how solar panels are making the ground under them cold and that is killing of a rare microbe needed for ..... and then it will be scrap solar panel time

Overpopulation is the joke I don’t buy. If we would live more sustainable and less materialistic and egoistic there would be plenty space for all of us, including the animals.

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:24 am

Queef wrote:

chiltern wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:19 pm Plastic was considered to be a miracle product at the time and saved a lot of trees.

Forgive me for asking but how did plastic save a lot of trees

In the 50s/ early 60s, cigarettes were good for you, and plastic and asbestos were de facto miracle solutions. Corporate propaganda. Old generation bought into it

Plastic is a godsend. Before plastics, the average family had 1 bed. For the entire family. And 1 table, 1-2 bench chairs, and 1 single person chair.

Go back to that kind of miserable existence and then be happy in the though of saving the whales, or trees, or whatever else.

Or better yet, be like the group in Florida at the turn of the century. They believed that people were the problem and all made vows to stop having kids. They died out and saved the planet.
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That must be by far the dumbest thing you've ever written. "Plastic is a godsend" who's your god? ARAMCO?
Plastic is convenient on the short run, not on the long run if it's not being disposed properly and re-used. Plastic (among other things) is destroying entire ecosystems are you're telling me it's a godsend?!

I have pictures of my great-grand parents. They lived in a 6 bedroom house with all the amenities you would expect in a normal house during that era. Not everyone is from some fucked up third world country. Their existence was far from being miserable, yet they understood the importance of preserving the environment (both my grandparents and parents are tree huggers).

If you think critically for a second, you would actually realize that people are in fact the problem. Do you see any other species out there willingly destroying its own habitat? If it weren't for people like John Muir, Yosemite would've been like Sihanoukville. But I guess since "plastic is a godsend", Sihanoukville must be like Aruba to you

pczz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:57 am 3) most of the plastic that is in th e ocean is thrown overboar from boats. Ban plastic containers for crew and passengers and it would go a long way to solving the oceans problems.

No, though fishing nets, and containers blown overboard in storms are large sources

pczz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:57 am 2) plastic starws are not the problem, its the number of plastic straws that is the problem. get rid of some people and its not a big issue anymore

So ban people instead of straws?
Who's first?

pczz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:14 am ....
Sorry but i don't buy all this save the planet stuff. for the simple reason that its the number of people causing the problem. We are way beyond sustainable levels of human population. ....

Actually the overpopulation scare is not true.

In about 2030-2050, the population will top out at @ 10 billion.
This is because the world population will become richer and women will have fewer children.
We are already seeing this: college enrolments in industrialized countries are declining because women are having fewer children because they are working.
Parents in developing countries will need fewer children to care for them when they are old.