I personally hate rice of any sorts, but I think this whole "rice is bad for you" thing is really overblown. It's not like billions of people don't eat rice and are perfectly healthy.

StroppyChops wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:29 am

Heng Heng Heng wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:40 pm It's really common here. A father of a Khmer friend has it. He can't eat rice. OMG.

I've never heard of T1D or T2Ds not being able to eat rice. Maybe he just doesn't like it, so he's, you know, a vegetarian celiac atheist who does, like, yoga and stuff.

Nothing fancy like that. Retired Cambodia police. He was told by his (Cambodian) doctor to stop eating rice due it elevating his blood sugar condition.

GTC7 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:21 am I personally hate rice of any sorts, but I think this whole "rice is bad for you" thing is really overblown. It's not like billions of people don't eat rice and are perfectly healthy.

Yes perfectly healthy until they hit 40.

Heng Heng Heng wrote:

GTC7 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:21 am I personally hate rice of any sorts, but I think this whole "rice is bad for you" thing is really overblown. It's not like billions of people don't eat rice and are perfectly healthy.

Yes perfectly healthy until they hit 40.

A lot of Khmer dishes are loaded with salt, be it squid sauce, fish sauce, etc that needs lots of rice to balance to the saltiness of the food.

Rice is a great food for when the locals walked everywhere and heavy manual labor was the norm. Now the Khmer would prefer to ride motos and play Facebook.

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:20 am Rice is a great food for when the locals walked everywhere and heavy manual labor was the norm. Now the Khmer would prefer to ride motos and play Facebook.

I was thinking this is probably the more important health factor here, not the rice. Kind of like how Americans blame sugar in everything vs. them driving everywhere and being sedentary.

GTC7 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:49 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:20 am Rice is a great food for when the locals walked everywhere and heavy manual labor was the norm. Now the Khmer would prefer to ride motos and play Facebook.

I was thinking this is probably the more important health factor here, not the rice. Kind of like how Americans blame sugar in everything vs. them driving everywhere and being sedentary.

Starches and sugars are great foods when you are physically active and need easily accessible energy, but they are suboptimal in modern society where immediate access to easy energy is provided by machines. Both activity levels and diet play a role in the problem.

Anyone with Type 2 diabetes can control the condition simply by severely restricting carbohydrates. Stick to a diet composed mostly of fat and protein, and you will be OK. There are essential fats, essential amino acids (proteins), but there are no essential sugars or starches. (You may need to carefully select a few vegetables in order to get vitamins if you don't want to take supplements.) It is a difficult diet to stick with, and anyone who has ever tried it knows just how tempting that plate of rice is after a week or two, but it can be done and will free you from the need for any type of medication. This has been shown over and over. It is not typically recommended simply because doctors don't know the long term ramifications of this diet, and they don't want the liability of recommending it when the government agencies all say a healthy diet should be composed of mostly carbs. It is just safer to stick with the status quo, even when there is mounting evidence the status quo is the reason for the disease.

This guy simply needs to severely limit his intake of carbs. This doesn't cure diabetes, but diet alone allows you to manage the condition without medication. It will be a difficult diet to follow in Cambodia where rice is a religion, but it can be done if the alternative is death.

Type 1 diabetes is a different thing altogether. Without insulin injections, that is a death sentence.

monomial wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:02 am It will be a difficult diet to follow in Cambodia where rice is a religion, but it can be done if the alternative is death.

Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if many Cambodians continue to eat themselves into the grave, even if they know the consequences.

GTC7 wrote:

monomial wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:02 am It will be a difficult diet to follow in Cambodia where rice is a religion, but it can be done if the alternative is death.

Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if many Cambodians continue to eat themselves into the grave, even if they know the consequences.

Cambodians are predominately Buddists. They tend to believe in Karma and a predestined fate trumps any possible consequences that might be controlled. If they will get diabetes and die then it’s destined, and nothing will change it. Or if they aren’t going to get diabetes, then no amount of rice eating will cause it, either.

This chart (source) shows actual rates of diabetes compared to white rice consumption. If anything, it indicates that actual incidence of diabetes was lowest in countries with high consumption of white rice:



Article discussing the topic Is "White Rice Healthy?"

The safety of rice consumption seems to vary greatly based on the individual, cultural background and what the rest of the diet looks like.

https://wellnessmama.com/2123/white-rice-healthy/

This study in the BMJ links white rice consumption with type 2 diabetes:White rice consumption and risk of type 2 diabetes: meta-analysis and systematic review https://www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e1454

However the white rice my be a confounder, as Dr. Katz notes:

“White rice has long been a part of Asian diets in which diabetes risk was very low,” Dr. David Katz, associate professor of public health at Yale University, told ABC News. “It is white rice plus aspects of modern living — including less physical work — that conspire to elevate the incidence of Type 2 diabetes.”
http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/16/s ... -diabetes/

According to the American Diabetes Association diabetes isn’t caused by diet, see myth 1 and 2. Any expert here who knows better? http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/