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Re: Khmer Rouge Killing Intellectuals

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SternAAlbifrons wrote:
"I think you are looking for one single answer, Trader"

I am not looking for one simple answer why it all happened but I do think the truth is much simpler than some people argue.

Not to condemn or label an entire population but the people of Southeast Asia are famously brutal in nature.

Remember all the children in the Vietnam war sent to greet American soldiers carrying suicide bombs?
For sure the kids didn't decide to do that on their own, adults put them up to it.

Remember parents selling their daughters into prostitution in SE Asia? Those girls did not decide to do that on their own, adults put them up to it. My second wife was sold into prostitution by her own father who had made that agreement in complicity with the local police and even the Buddhist temple.

Many SEAsian people are brutal by nature, it's that simple and goes a long way to explain how the genocide occurred and how someone could kill babies by holding their legs and smashing their heads into trees.
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amatuertrader wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:26 pm I had said that I was still unsatisfied by all of points raised in this thread as to why the KR had to kill children.
Bingham offered the explanation that the KR were afraid of the children of murdered parents seeking revenge when they grew up and offered the "kum" explanation.

I pointed out that never did happen even after the war and the KR were around to extract revenge on.
I also pointed out that there were numerous occasions when former KR officials were lynched, I'll dig up a few more if you like. Many Khmer Rouge were rounded up and imprisoned after 1979. Various amnesties were given but high ranking members were not welcome to defect. Some of these prisoners languished in prisons for years. Others were encouraged to defect and joined the PRK side.
Many hardliners and those who were forced by them to evacuate west after the Vietnamese invasion remained in areas inaccessible to the PRK/ Viet forces. Pol Pot spent most of the 80s in a huge compound called Office 87 in Trat province, Thailand. It was built by the Thai Army and defended by Thai commandos and Border Force. Within the compound he had faithful Cambodian bodyguards, many from hill tribe groups.
Later, after 1989 the KR took Pailin and consolidated their bases in adjoining Malai, Samlot and also further north in Anlong Veng, O'Smach and other Dangrek areas. These were very difficult areas to attack, but there was some back and forth between government forces and KR in these areas for long after UNTAC left town. Battambang and Siem Reap city were both taken briefly by KR forces in the post UN period. While most of this new insurgency was in the west/ north, pockets of KR began establishing themselves all over the interior, Kampong Speu/Aural, Koh Kong, Kampot and Kratie provinces all had resistance areas.

So this was the situation in the mid-late 90s. The UN advocates like to point out the Paris Peace Agreements of 1991 as when the war ended in Cambodia. Some opposition groups do too. UNTAC did manage to bring three of the warring parties together for a short alliance, but it was wholly ineffective against the KR who dropped out of negotiations early on. The war continued and expanded after the UN left, and security deteriorated. Not only due to KR threats, but because of government troops and demobilized armed groups terrorizing the country with banditry. It was only after the CPP forces consolidated their position in 1997 and then got the Anlong Veng KR to defect in 1998 that things started normalizing. There were still some rebels up in O'Smach, remnants of FUNCINPEC and Ta Mok's forces that fought on a bit longer but since then there has been no serious armed insurrection here.

In order to make a deal with the Pailin faction, the leaders were given an amnesty, and their relatives and former KR apparatus still control the province. A similar situation exists in Anlong Veng. It was not an option to arrest all the leaders in these zones at the time. Meanwhile the ECCC set up and a few of the leaders who were given amnesties found themselves up in court for crimes against humanity. a reasonable period was allowed to elapse before these people were arrested. If it had happened too soon their supporters would have risen up again.

A couple of relevant links, I don't think you need to sign up for these.

A very revealing study on Cambodia in 1995:
https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6a7dd8.html

This is the tragic tale of Division 703:
http://www.hengheng.de/kim/ebooks/Division703.pdf
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Re: Khmer Rouge Killing Intellectuals

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amatuertrader wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:10 pm SternAAlbifrons wrote:
"I think you are looking for one single answer, Trader"

I am not looking for one simple answer why it all happened but I do think the truth is much simpler than some people argue.

Many SEAsian people are brutal by nature, it's that simple
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You don't have to be Ben Kiernan to see that was coming.
Thanks for confirming my gut once again, trader.

(ps Trad, I once met Charles Sobraj on a bankok street and walked away in 120 seconds flat.
'Bye....)
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I don't understand what you are trying to say AAlbifrons.
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It has been suggested that I am not interested in finding the truth to a question I posed.

I do appreciate the efforts made to enlighten me but this not a university debate club, this is an internet discussion forum filled mostly by people that fall into one or more of the following categories:

1. whoremongers
2. former whoremongers
3. alcoholics
4. people that drink too much
5. wiseguys
6. keyboard warriors
7. legitimate teachers
8. make believe teachers
9. tourists who found a way to stay long term
10. trolls and sock puppets
11. people that are not Cambodian expats and posting from some other place
12. scalawags, rapscallions and wanna be pirates

Yes I look for simple answers to difficult questions but that's because I believe the simple answer is usually closer to the truth. Trying to figure out and explain why other people do certain things is a question that can be dissected and discussed ad infinitum always adding new tidbits of fact but never reaching the truth.

It can be great material for writing an article for a news publication or even whole books and a simple Google search on this subject shows it has been widely written about. It is also a great topic for a university debate club.

But all of the required reading quickly tires some of us out on a general discussion forum, like CEO.
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amatuertrader wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:47 am
1. whoremongers
2. former whoremongers
3. alcoholics
4. people that drink too much
5. wiseguys
6. keyboard warriors
7. legitimate teachers
8. make believe teachers
9. tourists who found a way to stay long term
10. trolls and sock puppets
11. people that are not Cambodian expats and posting from some other place
12. scalawags, rapscallions and wanna be pirates
Do I get one point for each one I check off? I got a 6, btw.
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amatuertrader wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:47 am It has been suggested that I am not interested in finding the truth to a question I posed.
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But all of the required reading quickly tires some of us out on a general discussion forum, like CEO.
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Big Daikon wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:09 am
amatuertrader wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:47 am
1. whoremongers
2. former whoremongers
3. alcoholics
4. people that drink too much
5. wiseguys
6. keyboard warriors
7. legitimate teachers
8. make believe teachers
9. tourists who found a way to stay long term
10. trolls and sock puppets
11. people that are not Cambodian expats and posting from some other place
12. scalawags, rapscallions and wanna be pirates
Do I get one point for each one I check off? I got a 6, btw.
dam i only got 4, ( had to look up rapscallions) :beer3:
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Re: Khmer Rouge Killing Intellectuals

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John Bingham wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:50 am
amatuertrader wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:47 am It has been suggested that I am not interested in finding the truth to a question I posed.
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But all of the required reading quickly tires some of us out on a general discussion forum, like CEO.
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I've put you on the ignore list troll.
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