Indonesia: New Law Banning Unmarried Sex May Affect Travelers

Doc67 · Post by **Doc67** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:36 pm

armchairlawyer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:01 am In Malaysia this year with my Khmer lady, I was surprised to get some negativity when checking in - even at a 4* Western hotel in KL. The headscarved lady implied we should take separate rooms!

I would walk right back out of the door... and smear it all over Trip Advisor et al... (once I had left the country)

hiway5 · Post by **hiway5** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:18 pm

armchairlawyer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:01 am In Malaysia this year with my Khmer lady, I was surprised to get some negativity when checking in - even at a 4* Western hotel in KL. The headscarved lady implied we should take separate rooms!

She would have been concerned about appearances probably but khalwat only applies to two muslims.

“(1) Any -
(a) man who is found together with one or more women, not being his wife or wives or mahram; or
(b) woman who is found with one or more men, not being her husband or mahram,
in any secluded place or in a house or room under circumstances which may give rise to suspicion that they are engaged in an immoral act shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding three thousand ringgit or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to both.”

CEOCambodiaNews · Post by **CEOCambodiaNews** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:27 pm

You were warned:
the-rest-the-world/sex-outside-marriage ... 18015.html

SternAAlbifrons · Post by **SternAAlbifrons** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:52 pm

This is all very true but don't forget our western culture was pretty harsh on adulterers, gays, prostitutes etc
until quite recently.
Society shunned them, the law imprisoned them, and the cops beat them up. Proudly.
In my lifetime.

In many western countries you could get serious years in gaol for smoking a joint twice, until almost yesterday..
Gaol is where we put our mentally ill today. Be especially wary if you are black or poor.
And if you get old they gonna warehouse you in a institution seperate from society for sure, called a "retirement home".

England even went so far as to send bread pilferers and handkerchief thieves, petty crimes of survival, to Australia not that long ago. How cruel is that!!

We shouldn't get too cocky on the subject of locking people up..

Anchor Moy · Post by **Anchor Moy** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:13 pm

Ok, judgements aside, what does this mean for western travelers ? Will unmarried couples be forced to stay in separate rooms ? Will the lady at the desk be asking for your wedding license ?
I have traveled in Muslim countries as part of an unmarried couple, but that was a long time ago, before this recent wave of conservatism. And Turkey and Morocco were fairly tolerant.
I' d be interested in hearing people' s experiences of traveling unmarried in countries that are strictly Muslim.

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:14 pm

I was in Malaysia two weeks ago with the 17 year old girl in my family who looks 12 or 13 and we stayed in KL and Georgetown hotels ,, traveled in busses, taxis and trains and was never asked any questions or given any dirty looks even when visiting her auntie in a high security prison.

Bad accusations can start with people with bad thoughts.

armchairlawyer · Post by **armchairlawyer** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:24 pm

SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:52 pm This is all very true but don't forget our western culture was pretty harsh on adulterers, gays, prostitutes etc
until quite recently.
Society shunned them, the law imprisoned them, and the cops beat them up. Proudly.
In my lifetime.

In many western countries you could get serious years in gaol for smoking a joint twice, until almost yesterday..
Gaol is where we put our mentally ill today. Be especially wary if you are black or poor.
And if you get old they gonna warehouse you in a institution seperate from society for sure, called a "retirement home".

England even went so far as to send bread pilferers and handkerchief thieves, petty crimes of survival, to Australia not that long ago. How cruel is that!!

We shouldn't get too cocky on the subject of locking people up..

OK, some good points here but I don't think adultery was against the law and cops did not beat up adulterers anywhere. Laws against paid-for sex were patchy, it's never been criminalised in many countries (although some related activities were made illegal such as solicitation, pimping etc).
In any case, the point is we have stopped the barbarism in the modern age.

JUDGEDREDD · Post by **JUDGEDREDD** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:44 pm

what about angry handys?

Jcml19 · Post by **Jcml19** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:47 pm

You can make the moral and faith argument and we do so here in the west. But i think tolerance of different perspective is vital to growth and a sustainable society.

I just hope peeps in indonesia will reconaider the global implications... So sad

Wanted to check out indonesia too

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:58 pm

armchairlawyer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:24 pm I don't think adultery was against the law and cops did not beat up adulterers anywhere.

It's illegal here though.....

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