A very nicely written piece,

shows u there is lots more to the city night life than hostess bars,Garage, Larry's and angry bird bar

Sometimes i wonder do the majority of posters never really go out to nice places or do they just not want talk about it.

Seems like there lots of more upscale places

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/trave ... .html?_r=0

phuketrichard wrote:A very nicely written piece,

shows u there is lots more to the city night life than hostess bars,Garage, Larry's and angry bird bar

Sometimes i wonder do the majority of posters never really go out to nice places or do they just not want talk about it.

Seems like there lots of more upscale places

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/trave ... .html?_r=0

There are lots of places Richard, I have been out exploring a few with the GF just to avoid the rut, but it becomes a habit for most expats I guess.

There is an amazing range of venues in PP but the forums you frequent don't talk about food drink & non salubrious activities that much

My late ex would have smiled to see that the Zeppelin Bar made it into this article. Ken loved that place.



Beautiful writing throughout.

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:28 pmSometimes i wonder do the majority of posters never really go out to nice places or do they just not want talk about it.

Seems like there lots of more upscale places

It's certainly well-written, however I have one reservation:

Why is it that only 'upscale' eating places are deemed as 'nice'?

This is a recurrent theme on expat fora and in Khmer middle-class culture to some extent.

What is wrong with lower-income places? Can something only be nice if it costs more money? To be honest I'd way rather mix with friendlier, less wealthy locals at some cheap place than with spoiled brats and ostentatious expats.

Let me be clear: more expensive and nice are definitely NOT mutually exclusive, but I don't see any cheaper local eateries mentioned here, and there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of Khmer restaurants where one can have great food and have a great time for less than $5.

I think it's an indictment of what is happening when only places that hit one for $50/head and more can be considered worthy of mention.

I'm glad to see that some markets got a look-in, at least in that sector some sanity prevails.

It's not New York: can we please stop trying to make it like that?

The Chinese influx into Sihanoukville has drawn many angry responses...based mostly on rising costs associated with it. Let's not be part of that happening by forgetting about 80% of Khmer people and what is or was so attractive about Cambodia before some people decided that local and cheap is nasty.

It's not New York: can we please stop trying to make it like that?

No, it's not NY, but I think it isn't much of a stretch to suggest that the vast majority of the readers of the NY Times are probably NYers, and the article is probably slanted to appeal to that audience.

Moe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:04 am

It's not New York: can we please stop trying to make it like that?

No, it's not NY, but I think it isn't much of a stretch to suggest that the vast majority of the readers of the NY Times are probably NYers, and the article is probably slanted to appeal to that audience.

I think the internet may have changed the audience from mostly NY a tad.

that genius wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:12 am

Moe wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:04 am

It's not New York: can we please stop trying to make it like that?

No, it's not NY, but I think it isn't much of a stretch to suggest that the vast majority of the readers of the NY Times are probably NYers, and the article is probably slanted to appeal to that audience.

I think the internet may have changed the audience from mostly NY a tad.

Do you have a source which indicates that the majority of the NY Times audience resides outside of NY? If you do, I'm pretty sure the NY Times would be fascinated to see it.

Do you have one which indicates that most live in NY? It's kind of irrelevant, anyway...we critique what is written in many nations' media on an objective basis, yes?

Should we defend what appears on Fox News simply because it's pro-right US? Or the China Daily for similar reasons?

The point is that these things need to reflect the truth, not bias: I was under the impression that was one of the core values of journalism..then again, NYT.

Edit: the international version is published in 160 countries, in English, Chinese and Spanish. I'm guessing that involves very large numbers. Population of NY is 8.5 million

• Readers of the New York Times in the U.S. 2017 | Statistic
https://www.statista.com › Media & Advertising › Books & Publishing

... readers in the United States from spring 2008 to spring 2017. In spring 2017, the number of New York Times (daily edition) (worldwide, my edit) readers amounted to 9.32 million. In 2016 the average paid and verified weekday circulation of the New York Times stood at 571.5 thousand copies, a decrease from over 1.92 million copies in 2013

So 600,000 verified copies we can possibly say are read in NY...8.7 million outstanding...I would guess many in the States...but 159 other countries are involved.

No, but should you be surprised that what appears on Fox News has a pro-Republican/Pro-Trump bias? I take it "That Genius" is kind of an aspirational title, eh? Everything in media has a bias. If you're oblivious to that, more power to you.

The bottom line is, the NY Times writes articles to appeal to people in NY. If you read the actual restaurant reviews in the Times as opposed to the travel section, you're going to see that it's hard to find them reviewing a place in Brussels, for example. That you can't admit that you're a bit off on this point doesn't reflect particularly well upon you.