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Phnom Poon wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:45 pm Think of it as putting coal back in the ground
Negatory - burning the timber would release the carbon back into the atmosphere. That's the black in wood smoke.
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Carbon is life so reducing carbon footprints literally means reducing humans. Something to think about.

Edited to add: The world is still in an Ice Age, the Pleistocene. and more deaths are caused by cold than heat.
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StroppyChops wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:54 pm
Kammekor wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:41 pm In a normal cycle a tree grows, absorbing carbon and releasing oxygen. After it's life cycle the old tree will collapse, and a new tree will grow in it's place. The old tree will decompose in a few years time and absorb oxygen and release carbon. By 'storing' the old tree you prevent this from happening and there will be absorption of carbon by the new tree without the release of the old one. Effect: a reduction of carbon in the atmosphere.
Okay, this makes sense to me thanks (along with a trip to Wikipedia armed with your response) - so, the theory is that trees act as a CO2 sponge, which is a Good Thing, so we should grow more trees. If the trees are allowed to die a natural death and then decompose, or allowed to burn in wildfire or to be rendered into charcoal, the carbon is released back into the atmosphere, which is a Bad Thing. So, the solution to to grow sizeable trees, cut them down, and bury the whole, unburned logs to lock their carbon yeild under the ground, which is a Good Thing.

I know none of us are geoscientists but I'd be keen to know what the true benefit is after allowing for the operation of the machinery to grow and then bury the trees. I'm also bemused by the layers of obfuscation in almost ANY written material on carbon sequestration, it's like a mysterious new psuedo-science that doesn't want to reveal itself to the unwashed masses. Also, most of the papers I've seen on this contradict each other.

Still sounds like purely political BS to me. The sort of thing AOC would double down on.
Burial of trees / other carbon containing materials has been a natural process for millions of years, and provided us with the resources oil and gas.

It's still going on as we we are writing on this forum, in for instance the black sea. The situation is we are using carbon much faster than it's absorbed / stored, so the amount of carbon is on the rise while oxygen levels are dropping (although nobody worries about that because there's so much of it). By storing carbon we could theoretically establish a new balance.
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RogueAnt wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:01 pm Carbon is life so reducing carbon footprints literally means reducing humans. Something to think about.
That would be true if more carbon in the atmosphere by itself would lead to higher yields / production / faster growth.

But there's no serious evidence to prove that.
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StroppyChops wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:55 pm
Phnom Poon wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:45 pm Think of it as putting coal back in the ground
Negatory - burning the timber would release the carbon back into the atmosphere. That's the black in wood smoke.
What's the black in charcoal?

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Phnom Poon wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:16 pm
StroppyChops wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:55 pm
Phnom Poon wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:45 pm Think of it as putting coal back in the ground
Negatory - burning the timber would release the carbon back into the atmosphere. That's the black in wood smoke.
What's the black in charcoal?
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Phnom Poon wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:16 pm
StroppyChops wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:55 pm
Phnom Poon wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:45 pm Think of it as putting coal back in the ground
Negatory - burning the timber would release the carbon back into the atmosphere. That's the black in wood smoke.
What's the black in charcoal?
Also carbon. Point?
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Phnom Penh (FN), April 27 – Cambodia will continue to feel the scorching hot weather with the record temperatures of 40-42 degrees Celsius until 11 May 2019, according to the forecast of Cambodian Department of Meteorology on Saturday.

According to the government’s circular, El Nino causes Cambodia’s rising temperature. El Nino affects the global climate and disrupts normal weather patterns that lead to intense storms and droughts.

Cambodia’s dry season starts from November through April while rainy season begins from May through October.
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Great, hopefully there will be an exodus that weeds out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved Cambodia.
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Mongabay Series: Global Forests
As Cambodia swelters, climate-change suspicion falls on deforestation
by Michael Tatarski on 17 June 2019
Cambodia has one of the highest rates of deforestation in the world, with key drivers including demand for timber products, land-use conversion, and urbanization.
Extreme temperatures have led to public criticism linking deforestation to unusually hot weather.
The Cambodian government has denied this connection, but emerging science provides compelling links between the two issues.


As the impacts of climate change become more apparent worldwide, members of the public are connecting more weather events to the phenomenon.

In March and April, for example, extreme heat baked mainland Southeast Asia. On April 20, Vietnam set an all-time observed record high temperature, 43 degrees Celsius (110 degrees Fahrenheit), and neighboring Cambodia suffered as well. This led to public criticism there that deforestation in the country has contributed to elevated temperatures.

The Cambodian government, however, has rejected these critiques.

“Deforestation in Cambodia has not contributed to higher temperatures in the country,” Neth Pheaktra, a spokesperson for the Ministry of Environment, said in a WhatsApp message earlier this month. “The rise of temperatures in the country is caused by global warming, which is mostly contributed to by developed countries with heavy industries.”
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