I've gone electric

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:45 am

For now, except for just driving around town, electric motorcycles are a novelty>
until there are charging stations at most gas stations, thats the way it will remain for ages>
Not to mention, i can fil up my motorcycle in 2 minutes, while an electric bike takes 6+ hours minimum.

They took those bikes up north but what they dont tell ya is they had a flat bed semi trailer with their own generator on it for charging

SlowJoe · Post by **SlowJoe** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:39 pm

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:45 pm My gas bike is used by two people at separate times and yes gas comes in around $200 a month at current prices plus to get gas involves a one to two hour queue as gas stations have only been open a couple of hours a day here.

The currency in Laos has also been extremely unstable which has seen a 30% rise in all goods, including gas. This increase was in two weeks. Although the kip has now settled down the high prices have remained

Since being in Laos since 2018 petrol has over doubled in price and continues to rise. Plus it is not available 24/7 and recently shortages have been severe.

But yeah you are right electric bikes are more expensive to run, a rip off and wont save money.

Obviously I don't know you but I would hazard a guess not only are you over 70 you are also from the nation of dickheads (American) - I have yet to meet a decent one.

I will use it for a month and inform you of how much or how little I have saved along with the KM driven by posting the results in this thread.

The problem I have is not with your character, all I'm saying is that your numbers are bullshit.

Here's some exaggerated maths to make my point, now prove me wrong.

60 km per charge cycle, 30 days for a month = 1800 km. (Maximum your ebike can be used for according to you)

A gas scooter with top speed of 45 kph is at best, a 50cc. Even my "good" 50cc bikes would go over 70 kph. (Comparing apples to apples)

Just using a Honda Cub 50 as an example, the fuel economy is roughly 70 km per litre. (Honda.jp claims 100 km/l plus but I call bullshit on that too)

To travel 1800 km at this fuel economy of 70 km/l would cost you 25 litres of fuel.

At $200 a month, fuel would need to be $30 a gallon (since you think I'm American), $8 a litre for the rest of us.

Since it's obviously not, I'm calling bullshit on your claim of saving 80-90%.

Now either what you've done is traded a very fuel hungry motorcycle for a little ebike, and claim the switch to electricity is what did it for you when in reality just getting a smaller bike would have the same result (misleading title at best), or you're just making shit up.

Up to you to refute the numbers, but don't get all in a huff when you obviously want to show the world about your purchase and then people call you out for misleading people or making shit up.

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:56 pm

hmmm $200 @ $1.5/lt= 134 lts @ conservatively 50 kms/lt
thats a lot of riding in a month unless ur on a tour

beaker · Post by **beaker** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:11 pm

Spigzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:00 am
phuketrichard wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:32 pm
Spigzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:13 pm It was fair @SlowJoe - I used an 883 as my daily ride and I'd be pushed to say I spend more than $50 per month riding Toul Kork to the very south end of BKK1 every day; and that's on something made in the USA which are notoriously bad for making efficient engines whether bikes or cars.

That said, I'd happily go electric if anyone would actually make a bike or car that had any style whatsoever. From Tesla that just look like a bang average sedan, to the Cybertruck which looks like something my son would make out of lego when he was 4, through to the Harley Livewire which transformed the brand from cruisers with style to just another crotch-rocket wannabe, bleh, I'm so underwhelmed. Plus it is all nonsense until humans finally embrace nuclear for electricity. #ChangeMyMind
watch the tv series, "long way "
..
they took electric harley's from the bottom of south America to La
I think you misread me PR, it isn't that I don't like electric vehicles, or that I think they're impractical - I had watched that series with the modified Livewire, all good stuff. But! My point was that electric vehicles just don't have any soul - the looks are awful. If I could get an electric version of a Harley Breakout, I would be all over that more than a Cambodian with a big prawn. Ahem. E.g..

Meh - looks like any other bike from FZs to those BMW things:

Where do I sign ...

It's still the early days of ebikes

beaker · Post by **beaker** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:14 pm

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:22 pm

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:56 pm hmmm $200 @ $1.5/lt= 134 lts @ conservatively 50 kms/lt
thats a lot of riding in a month unless ur on a tour

Or someone was siphoning off his fuel and then selling it. In that case he is right, going electric would save him "heaps"

Pseudonomdeplume · Post by **Pseudonomdeplume** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:26 pm

SlowJoe wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:03 pm
Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:43 pm 45 kph... It does about 60km before requiring a charge... 8 hours for a full charge... I'm currently spending about $200 a month on gas

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:07 pm
Would you like your fuel bill to be 80 to ,90% less than it currently is?

If yes you should look into electric motorbikes.

To use $200 a month in gas with a comparably powered gas scooter that maxes out at 45 - 50 kph, you'd need to be riding over 3 hours at top speed every day of every week of every month...

...which means 24 hours of charging time PER DAY on your scooter according to what you specs you posted, so unless you have 24 hours to set aside every day for charging and gas is $12 a litre in Laos right now, you're full of shit.

...and don't even get me started on battery pack longevity, the lifespan of ESCs, brushless motors, EV maintenance and repair costs/repairibility, because I've been into EVs since the early 90s of analog speed controllers, brushed motors, cadmium packs and "memory" chargers.

Shocking!

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:34 pm

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:56 pm hmmm $200 @ $1.5/lt= 134 lts @ conservatively 50 kms/lt
thats a lot of riding in a month unless ur on a tour

He's not on tour, he's on smack.

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:52 am

The VW Bus Took the Sixties on the Road. Now It’s Getting a Twenty-first-Century Makeover

Had a few of them in the 70's and even did a xcross country DC-SF in camper in '86 with my ex thai wife
in '72 brought one in Amsterdam and drove it to Athens
My first camper.. a 1966 in Ca in 1973

This year, Volkswagen is bringing back the bus—souped up, tricked out, and no longer bouncy—as the ID. Buzz. “ID.” stands for “intelligent design,” and “Buzz” means that it’s electric. It might be the most anticipated vehicle in automotive history. Volkswagen has been teasing a return of the classic, iconic, drive-it-to-the-Grateful-Dead bus for more than two decades. (I’m one of the people who’ve been counting the days.) The company keeps announcing that it’s coming, and then it never comes. Finally, it really is coming, and not only is it electric but it can also be a little bit psychedelic, two-toned, in the colors of a box of Popsicles: tangerine, lime, grape, lemon. It’s on sale in Europe this fall and will be available in the United States in 2024.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022 ... MNYR012019

SlowJoe · Post by **SlowJoe** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:24 am

“ID.” stands for “intelligent design,”

This level of pretentiousness is probably what I hate most about most of the EV crowd these days...

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