Great, post again in six months time and share your experience. Last week I had to buy two new tires @ 20$ a piece to fix a 350$ bike I bought 6 months ago with 800km on the clock.
I'm sure your bike is superior, but please report back to confirm.

Ok, disclaimer, fuel fed bike's tires generally last 10k km in my experience.

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:43 pm 45 kph... It does about 60km before requiring a charge... 8 hours for a full charge... I'm currently spending about $200 a month on gas

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:07 pm
Would you like your fuel bill to be 80 to ,90% less than it currently is?

If yes you should look into electric motorbikes.

To use $200 a month in gas with a comparably powered gas scooter that maxes out at 45 - 50 kph, you'd need to be riding over 3 hours at top speed every day of every week of every month...

...which means 24 hours of charging time PER DAY on your scooter according to what you specs you posted, so unless you have 24 hours to set aside every day for charging and gas is $12 a litre in Laos right now, you're full of shit.

...and don't even get me started on battery pack longevity, the lifespan of ESCs, brushless motors, EV maintenance and repair costs/repairibility, because I've been into EVs since the early 90s of analog speed controllers, brushed motors, cadmium packs and "memory" chargers.

SlowJoe wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:03 pm

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:43 pm 45 kph... It does about 60km before requiring a charge... 8 hours for a full charge... I'm currently spending about $200 a month on gas

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:07 pm
Would you like your fuel bill to be 80 to ,90% less than it currently is?

If yes you should look into electric motorbikes.

To use $200 a month in gas with a comparably powered gas scooter that maxes out at 45 - 50 kph, you'd need to be riding over 3 hours at top speed every day of every week of every month...

...which means 24 hours of charging time PER DAY on your scooter according to what you specs you posted, so unless you have 24 hours to set aside every day for charging and gas is $12 a litre in Laos right now, you're full of shit.

...and don't even get me started on battery pack longevity, the lifespan of ESCs, brushless motors, EV maintenance and repair costs/repairibility, because I've been into EVs since the early 90s of analog speed controllers, brushed motors, cadmium packs and "memory" chargers.

My gas bike is used by two people at separate times and yes gas comes in around $200 a month at current prices plus to get gas involves a one to two hour queue as gas stations have only been open a couple of hours a day here.

The currency in Laos has also been extremely unstable which has seen a 30% rise in all goods, including gas. This increase was in two weeks. Although the kip has now settled down the high prices have remained

Since being in Laos since 2018 petrol has over doubled in price and continues to rise. Plus it is not available 24/7 and recently shortages have been severe.

But yeah you are right electric bikes are more expensive to run, a rip off and wont save money.

Obviously I don't know you but I would hazard a guess not only are you over 70 you are also from the nation of dickheads (American) - I have yet to meet a decent one.

I will use it for a month and inform you of how much or how little I have saved along with the KM driven by posting the results in this thread.

...And no photos of your electric vehicles, all of you ?
A bit unusual ^^ on a vehicle thread, just saying.

Also, could we agree on replacing "nation of dickheads" by "dickhead states" ? Nations go stupid & else because they're let to, led to, by states, in my view.

1. The cost of gas is going to increase

2. The cost of electricity is also going to increase, because a) (surprise!) a large % of Cambodia's electricity is still generated by coal and diesel turbines and b) because they can increase it

3. The power grid is unreliable outside of the capital and larger towns

Electricity supply by source
The sources of electricity generated in Cambodia have changed remarkably in recent years:

Diesel and heavy fuel oil produced 89.2% of the electricity in 2011, but just 8.7% by 2016 and then 1.9% in 2018.
Hydro dams produced just 5% on the electricity in 2011, but 48.5% by 2018.
Coal produced just 4.5% of the electricity in 2011, but 34.5% by 2018.

The charging time is ridiculous with current model EVs, and like everything, the first models are largely experimental and expensive. Wait 5 years.

Ghostwriter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:54 am

Also, could we agree on replacing "nation of dickheads" by "dickhead states" ? Nations go stupid & else because they're let to, led to, by states, in my view.

Okay I am generalizing horribly by saying Americans are dickheads and I apologize.

I'm basing this only on the US expats I have met in Asia over the past 20 years. Dickheads is the wrong word. Freaks, oddballs, loners, complete weirdos are all more accurate epithets.

All expats in this part of the world are in some way flawed but the US ones are so strange. I'm not alone in thinking this either.

But this isn't a thread about the last days of the American empire.

It's about electric motorbikes. Maybe I am wrong, maybe battery replacement and other maintenance will result in no significant saving at all. Time will tell.

From the people I know who have switched to electric all of them report substantial savings. Also, thinking about it now, none of them are American and the yanks I do know have all baulked at the idea of using anything but gas.



I will report my costs after a month.

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:42 pm

Kammekor wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:34 pm

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:29 pm

Kammekor wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:21 pm

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:07 pm Petrol has increased by 50% in the last 18 months and the last three months there have been fuel shortages to the point where if you want gas you need to be in a queue for an hour as petrol stations were only open two hours a day .

Whilst petrol stations are now open normally again the price remains incredibly expensive and fuel shortages might well be a really of the future

I can't comment on any fuel shortages @ your place but I haven't noticed any and I am at the far end of the road (think nearly Vietnam). When complaining about the price in Cambodia (you're US I guess?) please note many countries have a much higher price. Look at prices in Europe for instance.

About electricity I am pretty confident to predict the current rate won't stand for much longer

I'm not in Cambodia and I'm not American so I can tell you are the kind of man who is right about most things.



I have friends who have gone electric and they are saving 80 to 90% on fuel per month. This means even if the price of electricity goes up by 60% (which it won't) I am still saving significantly.

But thanks for your input, old timer.

Thanks, welcome to CambodiaExpatsOnline.

Yesterday I received a message from a supplier in Ningbo (China) 90% of their employers changed their mode of transport to EV compared to five years ago. Highly relevant here?

Oh you are one of those retired old boys whose highlight of the day is opening and reading spam mail are you?

Yrs it's relevant. As China basically owns Cambodia it would say highly relevant. What happens there what will happen here.

But you got me - maybe Cambodia is the only county in the world where driving an electric motorcycle around the city is more expensive than a petrol one.

Bus wanker.

If you are loosing the debate on the topic, why do you have to attack other forum members to justify your point of view to prove you are right.

I'm trying not to single you out, but it's a ongoing problem here.

Debate the topic, not the person.

Khmu Nation wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:43 pm Bought an electric motorbike on Sunday. $550. Its top speed, 45kph, is a little slower than I normally drive at but not too frustrating. In traffic its fine. It does about 60km before requiring a charge up and a full charge from 0% to 100% takes about 8 hours. I will be interested to see how much my electric bill goes up in a month. I'm currently spending about $200 a month on gas - which is too much plus all the queues to get fuel and other engine problem bullshit. This definitely feels like the future of city transport. I quite like driving it, it is silent.

What's the current price for 1 KwH in Laos?

Any idea how much power the transformer / charger connecting the bike's battery uses? Does it get very hot?