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Kammekor wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 8:51 pm
atst wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 8:33 pm Four legged shitting machines, I hate how owners let thier dogs and I'll add cats, piss and shit in the stairways and laneways leading to your apartment. No not everyone likes standing in shit or smelling your pet's piss.
Dogs in central cities are a pain in the @ss. So are cats. In the outskirts and countryside they're extremely useful tools to catch & deter.
Yeah, I have 2 khmer families across the road with a number of dogs. They get let out on the balconies (presumably to do their business) and then cry and howl to be let back in. These dogs don't have a yard to run around in and I'm not sure they get taken for walks much. Actually, I think that's more a barang thing...exercise for the dog and the owner.
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So far everywhere I’ve lived in Cambodia I seem to have to take care of Khmer neighbour dogs ..... They love puppies ... for a few weeks, then forget about them .... Where I am now my landlady got a pup, the family fawned over it for a few weeks and then their attention moved on ..... There was already an older dog living there and one day as I came in and was petting him my landlady nonchalantly said, ‘I don’t think he ever had a friend before’ ...... I’ve watched what is classified as dinner for these dogs ..... fish bones & crab shells and rice, plate scrapings ...... I’ve never seen a bowl of water anywhere ...... An always full bowl of water on my porch, a few handfuls of dry kibbles each day and copious amounts of pets and attention has me furry friends who give me the best welcome home I could ask for ...... Sure enough there’s plenty of barang douches who enjoy the companionship of a furball and discard it once their vacation is over, but if you’ve not noticed the prevalent poor attitude towards animals in general from the native population you’ve not been paying attention.
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sigmoid wrote:What seems to be happening is that newer expats, more recent arrivals, aren't that interested in leaving their home country behind but instead have a desire to bring it all with them, basically to replicate their previous lifestyle in a new environment. They want gyms, lattes, burgers, burritos, yoga/dance/reiki/pilates classes, places to get tattoos and braids, mojitos, cooperative work spaces, outdoor festivals, chocolate easter bunnies, rechargeable batteries, netflix, etc.

To some degree, globalism makes this possible and facilitates their little dream.
It’s human behavior to replicate home.

The French did it when they arrived in the Kingdom of Wonder.

Maybe all the exposure to western life will change the Khmer and more importantly, the rulers, into a kinder and gentler enlightenment. Or not.

Lots of abandoned dogs in the western world as well.
But there is more of a support structure for them to make it less likely.

My Khmer nephews want to reborn as a western cat.

Sorry for the random thoughts.
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newkidontheblock wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 10:56 pm
sigmoid wrote:What seems to be happening is that newer expats, more recent arrivals, aren't that interested in leaving their home country behind but instead have a desire to bring it all with them, basically to replicate their previous lifestyle in a new environment. They want gyms, lattes, burgers, burritos, yoga/dance/reiki/pilates classes, places to get tattoos and braids, mojitos, cooperative work spaces, outdoor festivals, chocolate easter bunnies, rechargeable batteries, netflix, etc.

My Khmer nephews want to reborn as a western cat.

Sorry for the random thoughts.
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ego bibere nimis wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 12:14 pm Been noticing a lot more foreigners (A LOT) walking dogs around lately. Are they handing them out at Pochentong when you land? Or is it simply the new 'cool' thing to do here?
I can confirm that I recently landed in Pochentong and was not given a dog.
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sigmoid wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 11:38 pm
What seems to be happening is that newer expats, more recent arrivals, aren't that interested in leaving their home country behind but instead have a desire to bring it all with them, basically to replicate their previous lifestyle in a new environment. They want gyms, lattes, burgers, burritos, yoga/dance/reiki/pilates classes, places to get tattoos and braids, mojitos, cooperative work spaces, outdoor festivals, chocolate easter bunnies, rechargeable batteries, netflix, etc.

To some degree, globalism makes this possible and facilitates their little dream.

Basically, they seem to be here for reasons that differ from those of the "normal" expats who want to seek out novel and exotic experiences more than create a comfort zone.
The characterization that 'normal' expats want to seek out novel and exotic experiences; while 'newer' expats only want comforts of home is odd.

Westerner expats have been importing their culture into foreign countries for hundreds of years. Many people living here were transferred by their companies and have kids, of course they're going to want a similar standard of living. It's only a sign of a growing globalized professional class in PP. No different than other more established bases in the region, like HK, Singapore, or BKK.

There's very clearly a population of older, lower-income expats in PP who feel alienated by the way the city has developed. It's a common theme among posters here. 'These kids today with their hamburgers and dogs. In my day we were authentic...' As if there's something particularly novel about 50 cent draft beer and hostess bars.
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I think that caring for a street dog while beeing on a trip is not a bad thing to do. Sometimes a little effort can cause great results. I have seen many near-dead dogs fully recover after they got rescued by some barangs. Good karma IMHO.
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AM34 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 5:32 am
sigmoid wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 11:38 pm
What seems to be happening is that newer expats, more recent arrivals, aren't that interested in leaving their home country behind but instead have a desire to bring it all with them, basically to replicate their previous lifestyle in a new environment. They want gyms, lattes, burgers, burritos, yoga/dance/reiki/pilates classes, places to get tattoos and braids, mojitos, cooperative work spaces, outdoor festivals, chocolate easter bunnies, rechargeable batteries, netflix, etc.

To some degree, globalism makes this possible and facilitates their little dream.

Basically, they seem to be here for reasons that differ from those of the "normal" expats who want to seek out novel and exotic experiences more than create a comfort zone.
The characterization that 'normal' expats want to seek out novel and exotic experiences; while 'newer' expats only want comforts of home is odd.

Westerner expats have been importing their culture into foreign countries for hundreds of years. Many people living here were transferred by their companies and have kids, of course they're going to want a similar standard of living. It's only a sign of a growing globalized professional class in PP. No different than other more established bases in the region, like HK, Singapore, or BKK.

There's very clearly a population of older, lower-income expats in PP who feel alienated by the way the city has developed. It's a common theme among posters here. 'These kids today with their hamburgers and dogs. In my day we were authentic...' As if there's something particularly novel about 50 cent draft beer and hostess bars.
"There's very clearly a population of older, lower-income expats in PP who feel alienated by the way the city has developed." Not alienated, just disappointing to see. Although 'older' certainly not low or even middle income, I didn't move to Asia to have it "develop" into a version of where I came from. No point coming here if its same same. If by 'develop' you mean more like the west, then that's a real shame. "wow mum, I just got to Cambodia and Starbucks tastes just the same here as it does in bum phuck Idaho - oh, can you start a go fund me page, just broke my leg when I fell of a motor bike (I have never ridden one before and I have no insurance) and I also need money to buy some dog food for my Husky puppy".
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AM34 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 5:32 am The characterization that 'normal' expats want to seek out novel and exotic experiences; while 'newer' expats only want comforts of home is odd.
That is ridiculous, there are all sorts of people here, some vibrant and others a bit more sedentary. Personally I find many of my friends are getting on but they all have very broad experiences and knowledge of the place. Younger ones can be fun but are often pretty much clueless about the country. Some of each group are insular and don't get up to a lot, others do get out and do a lot of interesting stuff. There are dullards in every generation. Either way I have no time for people who bitch about the place or objectify all the time.
There was a huge invasion of younger people a few years back but most moved on since and there was a mass exodus of all ages when COVID hit. I enjoy chatting with younger foreigners sometimes, but with people who have been here a while we have more reference points in common so can get into more interesting conversations. It's probably more of a generational gap thing than anything though.

Westerner expats have been importing their culture into foreign countries for hundreds of years. Many people living here were transferred by their companies and have kids, of course they're going to want a similar standard of living. It's only a sign of a growing globalized professional class in PP. No different than other more established bases in the region, like HK, Singapore, or BKK.
That's nothing new, many people like that worked in development etc for a long time, then later others found good gigs in the private sector. Some found it increasingly hard to find managerial positions over time though as they were replaced by educated locals or Chinese. Nearly all my close friends here are professionals or have businesses.

There's very clearly a population of older, lower-income expats in PP who feel alienated by the way the city has developed. It's a common theme among posters here. 'These kids today with their hamburgers and dogs. In my day we were authentic...' As if there's something particularly novel about 50 cent draft beer and hostess bars.
There are some very visible elderly chaps who congregate around 172 and Daun Penh. Some are weird but others are just old guys trying to enjoy their twilight years in the sun. Some are very interesting when you get talking to them and others are just boring slovenly Pattaya/ Sinanoukville rejects. There's a large contingent of the latter in Kampot. Some well-known bars in the capital are full of dull and unhappy looking older guys. I was 30 when I got here first and had a bit more energy. The place was a wild dump and sort of exciting but I've been happy to see many improvements. However it's disappointing to see some places destroyed in the name of development and lost chances to make the place a more pleasant city. There's a lot more money around and a huge improvement in most local people's lives. Personally I haven't been in a hostess bar in many years and I don't drink draft. Hamburgers and dogs have been around here for as long as I can remember. Life goes on, it's too short to get bothered about what other people are doing. As long as they are pleasant and respectful I'm happy. 8-)
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truffledog wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 5:06 pm I think that caring for a street dog while beeing on a trip is not a bad thing to do. Sometimes a little effort can cause great results. I have seen many near-dead dogs fully recover after they got rescued by some barangs. Good karma IMHO.
That's a nice thought, but I have found that they are usually well fed and fussy about what you give them. When I tried to feed a street dog scraps he just sniffed at it and walked away. A guy watching nearby said, 'he only eats chicken'.
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