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Let's agree there are at least 2 ways to look at this:

1) No matter what he's done or not done in the past to get here, he's up shit's creek right now without a paddle. He's a man in a terrible position.

2) He's brought this upon himself to get in such fucked position, and some people, even people with a heart, owe him no sympathy for getting in this position.

3) Or maybe it's an elaborate scam. I really don't know.

None of us owe this individual anything, so let's not draw a line putting people who sympathise with him on that good side, and people who don't on the bad side.

Some will even blame that embassy. I think they've made it perfectly clear over the years that they're not in the business of lending down and out Brits money.

Feel free to take whatever stance you want on this fucked up story, but name calling and attacking other members won't be tolerated.

I just looked down at my ankles and can see some veins. I'll probably worry myself to sleep tonight.

General Mackevili wrote:Deleted a few posts between members.

Let's agree there are at least 2 ways to look at this:

1) No matter what he's done or not done in the past to get here, he's up shit's creek right now without a paddle. He's a man in a terrible position.

2) He's brought this upon himself to get in such fucked position, and some people, even people with a heart, owe him no sympathy for getting in this position.

3) Or maybe it's an elaborate scam. I really don't know.

None of us owe this individual anything, so let's not draw a line putting people who sympathise with him on that good side, and people who don't on the bad side.

Some will even blame that embassy. I think they've made it perfectly clear over the years that they're not in the business of lending down and out Brits money.

Feel free to take whatever stance you want on this fucked up story, but name calling and attacking other members won't be tolerated.

I just looked down at my ankles and can see some veins. I'll probably worry myself to sleep tonight.

Agreed, though for the record - I sympathize with him - we all do really stupid things; some of us are lucky enough to have people who will help when we do, some of us aren't. Having said that, I don't sympathize enough to help - there are a ton of people out there who need our help who didn't bring stuff on themselves like this and sadly, despite fantasies to the contrary I don't have unlimited resources to help people. So I pick and choose and that's not entirely fair but it's all I can do.

For the record too - I don't think this is a scam. I think this is some poor dope who overstayed in Asia and can't get home. There are a lot of them out there and over the next few decades, there will be a lot more. I don't even think a change in government would help - nobody cares back home about people who can't vote and a 15 year expat can't vote and hasn't paid taxes. I hope the people around him club together and send him home. I don't think anyone else is going to.

What happened? Did I miss anything? lol.
Agree with the Genera's first point , not so much with the second. Also agree with much of what the Grinch has written on this topic.

People always like to weigh court over these cases and a lot would have that he was a bad man. As if leaving the UK to try and start a new life somewhere makes you a bad person. Some make it, some don't. When I left Asia in 2006 it was a far far cheaper place than it is now. The wages haven't gone up at all in effect. This is what has really made a change in living standards for teachers in Cambodia. Not so much in Vietnam. There they pay double and charge you less. In KOW visa-versa.

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month." -Theodore Roosevelt

The General is right about points -1- and -2- but this whole sorry tale is NOT in the least an elaborate scam, please believe that.

Quite a long time ago, when he was still earning $800 - $1,000 a month at Apple School - and spending less than half of that on himself - Gary was urged to scrape together
the fare to Blighty, collapse at Heathrow/Gatwick (not much acting would have been required, given the severity of his condition even then) and play things from
there ...

Will Vladimir manage to arrange for someone in Poipet find Gary and see how things are?

General Mackevili wrote:I just looked down at my ankles and can see some veins. I'll probably worry myself to sleep tonight.

DVT - deep vein thrombosis, need to sleep with your legs elevated

bolueeleh wrote:

General Mackevili wrote:I just looked down at my ankles and can see some veins. I'll probably worry myself to sleep tonight.

DVT - deep vein thrombosis, need to sleep with your legs elevated

[img]http://i68.tinypic.com/2pzh4kk.jpg[/img]

Whew, looks nothing like that- I think I'm in the clear. Tiny spider veins, perhaps.

General Mackevili wrote:

bolueeleh wrote:

General Mackevili wrote:I just looked down at my ankles and can see some veins. I'll probably worry myself to sleep tonight.

DVT - deep vein thrombosis, need to sleep with your legs elevated

[img]http://i68.tinypic.com/2pzh4kk.jpg[/img]

Whew, looks nothing like that- I think I'm in the clear. Tiny spider veins, perhaps.

Since when have you been able to look down and see your ankles?

You mean you saw them in the mirror right?