Is Drug Taking a Natural Imperative?

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you could summarie this long winded stuff...

only read the first part... was alexander a prof for sock knitting or what ?

its clear, that drugs hit more in ppl with low endorphins, as they ALL (the popular drugs) increase them...

so really no rocket science, that low-endo-ppl are more prone to seek drugs...

eh ?
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More impenetrable bleating by the bombastic, ill informed, half smart potty. Goog bye dear girl.
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General Chatter wrote: Human beings are bonding animals. We need to connect and love. The wisest sentence of the twentieth century was E.M. Forster's - only connect. But we have created an environment and a culture that cut us off from connection, or offer only the parody of it offered by the internet. The rise of addiction is a symptom of a deeper sickness in the way we live - constantly directing our gaze towards the next shiny object we should buy, rather than the human beings all around us.

The writer George Monbiot has called this "the age of loneliness." We have created human societies where it is easier for people to become cut off from all human connections than ever before.
These are great points, General Chatter.

However, you are focussing on addiction here and even still, that subjects isn't as clear cut as this, in my opinion. Let's note that there are people living in absolute squallor who aren't addicted to anything because they are strong people. Yet there are people with an abundance of riches who are some of the worse addicts you could probably ever meet! But yes, i do generally agree with these points that people living in bad conditions that they find stressful will probably become addicted to drugs if they are freely available to them. So the main factors here are STRESS, and also AVAILABILITY of drugs. BUT if a person is strong they will probably be able to hold their shit together and not become addicted or even attracted to the idea of taking addictive drugs.

Ok, enough about addicts. What about people who have good happy lives that choose to experiment with drugs to for recreational purposes, or as a means to self discovery. These people may be extremely intelligent, and will never become addicted to drugs or a burdon to themselves or society. What about them? Perhaps the difference here is that they are in charge of their lives and are making an educated choice here, so that in itself offers some knowledge and also protection...

What do you think?

(I say that drug taking is a natural imperative because Human Beings are naturally curious, and also that most 'drugs', are none other than plants that grow out of the ground, as if they were put there by God to help us along in the journey of life and self discovery.)
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how can they have "happy lives" when they miss something so badly that they seek help/compensation by drugs ?
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Personally, curiosity was the main driving factor for my first experiments in drugs after reading a number of authors for example Aldous Huxley .
Addiction can follow if the circumstances are right with a few drugs....cannabis I feel is harmless....
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Interview with author.



The Hunting of Billie Holiday
How Lady Day found herself in the middle of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics’ early fight for survival.
By JOHANN HARI January 17, 2015

From his first day in office in 1930, Harry Anslinger had a problem, and everybody knew it. He had just been appointed head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics—a tiny agency, buried in the gray bowels of the Treasury Department in Washington, D.C.—and it seemed to be on the brink of being abolished. This was the old Department of Prohibition, but prohibition had been abolished and his men needed a new role, fast. As he looked over his new staff—just a few years before his pursuit of Billie Holiday began—he saw a sunken army who had spent fourteen years waging war on alcohol only to see alcohol win, and win big. These men were notoriously corrupt and crooked—but now Harry was supposed to whip them into a force capable of wiping drugs from the United States forever.

Harry believed he could. He believed that the response to being dealt a weak hand should always be to dramatically raise the stakes. He pledged to eradicate all drugs, everywhere—and within thirty years, he succeeded in turning this crumbling department with these disheartened men into the headquarters for a global war that would continue for decades. He could do it because he was a bureaucratic genius—but, even more crucially, because there was a deep strain in American culture that was waiting for a man like him, with a sure and certain answer to their questions about chemicals.



cont ...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... L-g1XZbwrC

[This Anslinger guy is a total racist cunt and set the bar for the continuing racist drug war.]
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potty wrote:how can they have "happy lives" when they miss something so badly that they seek help/compensation by drugs ?
Well, 'happy lives', in the modern day context of what a happy life constitutes, ie money, and freedom to live in a way that the poor cannot.

BUT, yes. You do have a point.

Again, it's more to do with STRESS and COPING ABILITY. Some people are simply weak in terms with coping with the various stressors in life. I fear it's these types of people who are more likely to become addicted to addictive behaviour patterns ( whether that does or does not include addictive drugs) But if they work at their coping mechanisms they provide themselves excellent protection from the pits of despair.
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Honi soit qui mal y pense motherfuckers
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i rather believe, that drug-users have an underlying disease.

if they would really "feel inside", what it does do / the "advantage", they could describe the physical effects, imo. I think, it has banal physical reasons, that ppl use (and get addicted at some point perhaps) drugs.

imo, with that rats, science forgets to take into account, that drugs don't act the same on everyone.

e.g.simple cigarette smoking or coffee. simple examples that act quite strong on the CNS.
not really drug-stuff, but its "strange" that not everyone likes that.
however, some are extreme consumers. that cant be a learnt habbit either.
coffee / cigarettes "compensate" for something.

same for drugs.

all of the drug-stuff is in fact "self-treatment", imo, and if - than it has only a tiny little bit to do with "will".
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potty, do you see any co-relation between drug addiction and alcohol addiction or a gambling addiction?
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