Is Drug Taking a Natural Imperative?

snookie BRO · Post by **snookie BRO** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:22 pm

The Add Jay wrote:Its just a way to make money for Tax revenue and employes so many. I disagree with making drugs legal but would like the source to be stopped and more strict rules for the sellers not the consumers.

From a harm reduction perspective, legalising drugs would mean drug producers and sellers would be safe, drug users would get a pure quality product, and there would be no issues seeking medical help for addictions. It would also effectively remove the criminal element and make pure drugs available from professional outlets for a relatively low cost, ending the need for users to commit crimes to pay for their habit.
Taxing their sale would generate income, etc.

To legalise, means to 'control'. However the current illegal status means that criminal gangs are involved, ie, 'no controls', hence the problems we have today as a cause of 'that'.

The Add Jay · Post by **The Add Jay** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:44 pm

Okay fine make it legal. But where do you stand on "socialized medicine"? You want this also along with legalized drugs?

I'd rather not see the United States go the way of China in the 19th century. Where the masses are completely incapacitated while special interest and big govt rape and pillage everything.

But if you are aware this maybe part of the plan. Look at your average pot smoker or pill popper.

snookie BRO · Post by **snookie BRO** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:24 am

People should be free do do what they wish with their body and minds, as long as no one else suffers or gets injured. The illegalisation is more to do with money, people control ,and dumbing down society than anything else.

The deaths from booze alone are immence!

MekongMouse · Post by **MekongMouse** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:01 am

potty wrote:im not sure if there is a "natural need for intoxication"...

from the natures perspective, its a dangerous thing. your not alerted and a fair game for every predator who is not intoxicated.

Aren't you always looking for various pills with high potential for abuse? As in, just because you like your drugs legal doesn't mean they're not drugs.

This goes for alcohol too.

BOFH · Post by **BOFH** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:40 am

You guys should look into Terence McKenna's book Food Of The Gods. It covers drug use throughout history of mankind and describes how every culture ever recorded has been influenced by psychedelic drugs. Terence also shares very interesting evolutionary theories revolving the topic. Here's a PDF if you're curious: https://ia601407.us.archive.org/9/items ... heGods.pdf

Also a YouTube link of Terence talking about psychedelic influence on evolution (tl;dr version of the book):

"Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behaviour and information processing. They open you up to the possibility that everything you know is wrong." - Terence McKenna

"'LSD is a psychedelic drug which occasionally causes psychotic behavior in people who have not taken it." - Timothy Leary

Anchor Moy · Post by **Anchor Moy** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:42 pm

"'LSD is a psychedelic drug which occasionally causes psychotic behavior in people who have not taken it." - Timothy Leary

Great quote. Actually seems to be the case with most "illicit" drugs.

LTO · Post by **LTO** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:48 pm

Anchor Moy wrote:

"'LSD is a psychedelic drug which occasionally causes psychotic behavior in people who have not taken it." - Timothy Leary
Great quote. Actually seems to be the case with most "illicit" drugs.

Yeah, really, great quote. Could be said of most all recreational drugs.

Milord · Post by **Milord** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:39 am

Cashing in on ayahuasca tourism: Aussies ditch rat race to run ‘shamanic healing’ retreat

THEY say you should follow your dreams — but should you follow your hallucinations?

One Perth couple has done quite literally that, walking away from their comfortable careers in engineering and mining to run a drug retreat deep in the Peruvian Amazon.

It’s called Refugio Altiplano, and is only accessible by a two-hour, 40-kilometre boat ride up the Amazon River from the north-eastern city of Iquitos.

There’s no hot water, limited facilities and mobile phone reception comes once a day if you’re lucky.
But here, nestled in 490 hectares of rainforest and far from the trappings of civilisation, people from all walks of life are guided through a psychedelic experience with the traditional plant ayahuasca.

‘SPIRIT WORLD’

Be warned: it’s not for the faint-hearted.

The hallucinogenic tea, which contains the potent psychoactive compound DMT, is definitely not a recreational drug, says Julian Moran, a former office worker who now runs the small Refugio with his wife Angela.

The centre is just one of thousands cashing in on the ayahuasca tourism industry, which has become big business in recent years.
While very much illegal in most countries — including Australia — the drug is considered integral to many tribal societies in South America.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/executiv ... 7186106033
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I've heard about similar retreats in Brazil [north of Uruguay] but with more religious baggage.

Peyote rituals SW USA with Hopi Indians. Spiritual

Ganga in Jamacia. Rastafarian ritual.

Ibogaine in Mexico for drug addiction from heroin.

Have you heard about any other "Retreats" around the world?

Milord · Post by **Milord** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:45 am

Graham Hancock - The War on Consciousness BANNED TED TALK

Rock the Stage NYC8 months ago
This was banned for a very simple reason - Graham is advocating drinking a mind altering elixir and suggesting that if we all drank it, the world would be consciously together. That we'd stopped cutting the Amazon and war, greed, hunger would end. It's a bit loopy. He is essentially advocating consuming an elixir made from plants, that is not legal anywhere on the planet (except where it's made).

It's a nice sentiment to have us all consciously tuned together, but there is no such thing as Utopia.
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Nick C1 week ago
Maybe, but herein lies the problem... What's inherently wrong with drinking a mind-altering elixir? That's just what society as a collective says. There's no real danger attached to that act unless you cite that which is quite literally propaganda. Have you used this substance for yourself? Are you really in a position to advocate for or against its use, or are you just repeating the words and thoughts you've heard repeated around you for so long?
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Martin Cole1 week ago
+Nick C Nice comment. Well said. At age 55, never smoked a joint and never took any recreational anything outside of alcohol. (not a big fan of that either) My son called me one day from Peru, he had drunk Ayahuasca and said he had to call and tell me about the experience. 48 Hours later I touch down in Iquitos Peru and that night I drank it. It did indeed change the course of my life - something that I now working with. A major issue on this thread (as I see it) is that the naysayers (a) have not experienced it (b) have somehow a 'logical' explanation for it.
The world is full of opinions - none of them necessarily correct (mine included) the danger we ALL face is when we BELIVE our OPINIONS are truth.
Stay open minded my friend - the future belongs the open minded and NON opinionated.

MekongMouse · Post by **MekongMouse** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:08 am

I've drank ayahuasca. I just made my own following instructions found online. It was not very enjoyable, very intense and frightening and when I came to, I was naked in my bathtub and covered in my own vomit. I would still like to try DMT free base.

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