rozzieoz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:19 pm

fax wrote:Stupid article. Immigrants have citizenship. Expats don't.

Incorrect. An immigrant is someone who makes a permanent move to another country. They are not yet citizens.

Indeed, most definitions used contain the word permanent

rozzieoz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:19 pm An immigrant is someone who makes a permanent move to another country.

Exactly, permanently through citizenship. Anything other than citizenship is temporary residency.

"My label didn’t come from a lack of permanency but from my Burgundy passport. "
I was unaware that Burgundy was a country now, I always thought it was a Department in France.

Ruth Terry
May 28, 2019

When Does a Person of Color Get to Be an Expat?

In scholarship and among some travelers, however, the meanings of expat and immigrant are being challenged.

“Ostensibly, the term appears to be neutral; those who like to use it to describe themselves often rely on the Latin root of the word, meaning ‘someone being outside of their home country’,” Anne-Meike Fechter, an anthropologist at the University of Sussex, told me. “In reality, the term is more complex: laden with colonial history, it has come into use for those who live abroad under very privileged conditions.”

Didem Tali, an award-winning Turkish journalist who has lived and traveled extensively outside her home country, argues that in addition to class status race and ethnicity also play a role in how people are perceived.

t’s very contextual, being an expat versus being a migrant or a visitor,” says Tali, who identifies as an indigenous European woman of color. “Even though I have a master’s degree and I’m a white-collar professional, in Europe, I’m often considered a migrant…. in Africa or in some pockets of Asia, I’m considered an expat. Some people in certain countries there would consider me White.”

Full https://www.yesmagazine.org/peace-justi ... r-20190528

fax wrote:

rozzieoz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:19 pm An immigrant is someone who makes a permanent move to another country.

Exactly, permanently through citizenship. Anything other than citizenship is temporary residency.

You are incorrect again.
In Australia and NZ, as well as other countries, you don’t automatically become a citizen just because you make a permanent move.

I deal with people going through this process all the time in my business.

Many immigrate as “temporary or permanent residents,” nobody is given automatic citizenship. Many immigrants never become citizens but rather remain permanent residents.

The point is that it's not possible to make a permanent move without citizenship. It is the citizenship that separates the permanent from the temporary.

fax wrote:The point is that it's not possible to make a permanent move without citizenship. It is the citizenship that separates the permanent from the temporary.

Incorrect. I didn’t become an Aussie citizen until years after I emigrated.
You don’t have to become a citizen to immigrate.

Now I’m out , it’s like talking to a three year old.

The saffers are “refugees” as it were. Are they immigrants or expats?

After all many are fleeing persecution or are just plain scared what could happen.

rozzieoz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:37 pm Incorrect. I didn’t become an Aussie citizen until years after I emigrated.
You don’t have to become a citizen to immigrate.

If you had permanently moved to Australia you wouldn't be living in Cambodia, innit.

Do you now also consider yourself a permanent resident of Cambodia? Do you think that you are an immigrant or an expat?

Now I'm out, it's like talking to the crazy cat lady.

fax wrote:

rozzieoz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:37 pm Incorrect. I didn’t become an Aussie citizen until years after I emigrated.
You don’t have to become a citizen to immigrate.

If you had permanently moved to Australia you wouldn't be living in Cambodia, innit.

Do you now also consider yourself a permanent resident of Cambodia? Do you think that you are an immigrant or an expat?

I emigrated from South Africa and lived in Aus for more than 20 years, smart ass. I only became a citizen about ten years later. I was a sponsored spouse for a year, then a temporary resident, then a permanent resident and finally, citizen.

‘Permanent resident’ is a visa status, so no, legally I am not a permanent resident of Cambodia.

I’ll always be an immigrant since I left my country of birth and relocated.