At least the Chinese vaccines are reasonably harmless, not just to newer variants but also to the human host. Just start over fresh with a quality vaccine.

Problem is what it is, the virus has developed and mutated to such more deadly or damaging virus in some cases that we read about. Scientist's are busy, with development to suppress this covid19 and its different developed strains. But still early days, and people make mistakes of mainly becoming lax to the warnings, then unknowingly aid the virus to spread. So it leaves the scientists playing catchup at this time, will vaccines work, will it be enough to gain heard immunity. Will there be a time when we think that this will never stop or end, are the scientist's, doctors and health authorities, populations, skilled and even good enough to put a stop to this world pandemic, getting back to what we would consider some type of populace, some type of normality, conditions of life with an outlook of good health, and returning world economics to some type of balance once again.
Could the virus be wiped out? I don't wish to speculate, but I would think personally I would possibly think about the near future to have my mindset with living with it.

It's not that it won't harm you that is the reason the data is irrelevant a lot of the time, rather that the data is irrelevant because we don't have it. The issue to me with the Chinese vaccines is primarily political, rather than a health one. I don't want to be supporting vaccine diplomacy of any form much, let alone from a company that won't release it's data transparently, and is hastily selling inferior quality products to curry favors. This kind of politicization of medicine is never going to be good for health systems. I used to say I would get the Chinese vaccine, and join the great experiment, if someone offered. Now I am much more cautious. Going to watch the news for a while first at any rate, and then probably wait until I have no choice.

I don't see how it matters. People still test positive no matter what. The only significant thing would be deaths of people who had two shots already.

We are all lab rats. Go to the pub before they close them again.

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:24 am I don't see how it matters. People still test positive no matter what. The only significant thing would be deaths of people who had two shots already.

Look at that garment factory in Meanchey a few days ago. 25% testing positive. Simply cannot believe they weren't all vaxxed up, they were some of the first to get the vaccine: critical industry and living in a red zone.

It must be hell of an expense to develop and produce a vaccine, and the testing, data, administration, transport and security and what ever else may be demanded in its due course. Then there is the inoculations to the public. Then like now it seems to be all hope, hope that the vaccine works against the virus. We are now seeing the nature of different variants that seem to be more damaging. Time they say is a grate healer, but it also gives the experts understandings too. Hopefully headways will follow. But also I see within time the virus also developing, and with such laying dormant in cases, undetected because the hoste has no showing symptoms, then possibly see strains of multi drug resistance. here too I think the vaccines will have very little effect.

Is it actually true that foreigners must have a valid visa and work permit to get the vaccine? I'm really confused how they are aiming to be fully vaccinated because most of the foreigners I've met with the E visa don't have work permits and plenty don't even have visas.

(InB4 Bingham & Co.'s compulsory "what kind of company do you keep" replies)

And FYI I have a fully valid retirement visa

Tangentially isn't it acceptable to have a business visa without the work permit? It's what I'd always heard. Is it just this year that's changed?

SwiftAsTHOT wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:55 am Is it actually true that foreigners must have a valid visa and work permit to get the vaccine? I'm really confused how they are aiming to be fully vaccinated because most of the foreigners I've met with the E visa don't have work permits and plenty don't even have visas.

(InB4 Bingham & Co.'s compulsory "what kind of company do you keep" replies)

And FYI I have a fully valid retirement visa

Tangentially isn't it acceptable to have a business visa without the work permit? It's what I'd always heard. Is it just this year that's changed?

I didn't have to produce a WP prior to my vaccines. In fact I filled out my own form and it only required my passport number. No one even looked at my visa.

This is the problem with an absurdly top-down leadership continuum such as is on display in Cambodia.

You get sweeping edicts.........and the lower level minions who actually have to implement them have very little guidance and are gun-shy.

Rather than get thrown under the bus or risk losing face for making the wrong decision.......they'll either turn you away outright ("go to your embassy for a letter.").......or ask for countless documents until you have to walk away completely flummoxed.

Cambodia is a master class in the ineffectual nature of top-down leadership.

Official 'word' does not get efficiently passed down and then you get one fuck-head asking for work permits whilst down the street, no work permit need be shown.

Brody wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:11 am

SwiftAsTHOT wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:55 am Is it actually true that foreigners must have a valid visa and work permit to get the vaccine? I'm really confused how they are aiming to be fully vaccinated because most of the foreigners I've met with the E visa don't have work permits and plenty don't even have visas.

(InB4 Bingham & Co.'s compulsory "what kind of company do you keep" replies)

And FYI I have a fully valid retirement visa

Tangentially isn't it acceptable to have a business visa without the work permit? It's what I'd always heard. Is it just this year that's changed?

I didn't have to produce a WP prior to my vaccines. In fact I filled out my own form and it only required my passport number. No one even looked at my visa.

This is the problem with an absurdly top-down leadership continuum such as is on display in Cambodia.

You get sweeping edicts.........and the lower level minions who actually have to implement them have very little guidance and are gun-shy.

Rather than get thrown under the bus or risk losing face for making the wrong decision.......they'll either turn you away outright ("go to your embassy for a letter.").......or ask for countless documents until you have to walk away completely flummoxed.

Cambodia is a master class in the ineffectual nature of top-down leadership.

Official 'word' does not get efficiently passed down and then you get one fuck-head asking for work permits whilst down the street, no work permit need be shown.

Great info, thanks! A lot of people I know who don't have a work permit have expressed to me that they want the vaccine but worried about this situation so it's nice to know that I can tell them to go for it.