violet wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:28 pm

TOG wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:24 pm

violet wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:20 pm I think people are looking at her face. Perhaps you judge cuteness by breasts alone. I know some men do.

My first reply to this simply disappeared (seems to happen a few time lately).

How can anyone call this girl cute when nearly all of her body (face and hands excepted) is covered up.

She may be a hideous freak for all we know.

Simply the Muslim male way of dominating their females. If covering up is so good, why don't the men also cover themselves?

Are you not attempting to dominate women also by saying they should be uncovered?
Yes, there is what's normal and acceptable dominating her choices, as there are with any person's anywhere. I find, much to my surprise, that right this minute i side with the women who say shut up about what women should and shouldn't wear.

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:51 pm shes from Lebanon, where women arent suppressed...

Lebanese women are considered to have more rights and freedom compared to women elsewhere in the Arab World. Women in Lebanon are able to dress more liberally and move around with relative ease in certain parts of the country, unlike other countries in the region. Lebanese women enjoy almost equal civil rights as men.

Islam in Indonesia is similar too

To a significant degree, the striking variations in the practice and interpretation of Islam — in a much less austere form than that practiced in the Middle Eastern communities — reflect Indonesia's Island lifestyle.
Indonesian Muslimah (female Muslim) do enjoy social, education and career freedom, significantly greater than their counterparts in Saudi Arabia or Iran. It is normal, socially acceptable and safe for a female Muslim to go out, drive, work or study in some mixed environs independently without any male relative chaperone. Women's higher employment rate is also an important difference between Indonesian and Middle Eastern cultures

you have a narrow minded view

I have never met a girl or woman who given the choice would wear the niqab or burka

TOG wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:55 pm

violet wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:28 pm

TOG wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:24 pm

violet wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:20 pm I think people are looking at her face. Perhaps you judge cuteness by breasts alone. I know some men do.

My first reply to this simply disappeared (seems to happen a few time lately).

How can anyone call this girl cute when nearly all of her body (face and hands excepted) is covered up.

She may be a hideous freak for all we know.

Simply the Muslim male way of dominating their females. If covering up is so good, why don't the men also cover themselves?

Are you not attempting to dominate women also by saying they should be uncovered?
Yes, there is what's normal and acceptable dominating her choices, as there are with any person's anywhere. I find, much to my surprise, that right this minute i side with the women who say shut up about what women should and shouldn't wear.

Sorry, could you quote me where I said they should be uncovered? I said it is impossible to say anyone is cute if they are almost completely covered. I also said that this is a result of male dominance. Take away the male dominance and let them have real freedom of choice. If there was real freedom of choice, then why are non Muslim women not wearing the niqab or burka? Do you cover yourself up in a niqab, hijab or burka? I doubt it very much. It is only Muslim women who do so and it is not a religious thing.

I would agree with you if these women actually had freedom of choice but they don't. They are brainwashed from birth.

I worked for over 8 years in the Middle East in the Oman and the Yemen. I have never met a girl or woman who given the choice would wear the niqab or burka. The hijab is acceptable to some but the vast majority wanted freedom of choice but could not voice their opinions in front of Muslim men.

TOG wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:00 pm
My point is quiet simple. Muslim men dominate their women and there is not equality. Mulsim women do not make the laws or have complete freedom of choice. Give them complete equality and see what happens.

Khofifah Tegistha Indar Parawansa (born 19 May 1965) is an Indonesian politician who served as the 27th Minister of Social Affairs. She resigned from the position in January 2018 in order to run in the East Java gubernatorial election.

She had previously served as the fifth Minister for Female Empowerment, as well as the chairwoman of the Family Planning Board in the National Unity Cabinet, and was also a former Deputy Speaker of the Indonesian House of Representatives. She was the first member of parliament who gave formal critical speech toward Soeharto regime, highlighting 1997 General Election fraud during 1998 General Session of People's Consultative Assembly.

She was elected chairwoman of the Muslimat, an Islamic women's group affiliated to Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), for the 2000-2005 period, and reelected three times, most recently in 2016 for the 2016-2021 period

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:06 pm your point is wrong... how about Ms Khofifah Indar Parawansa??

TOG wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:08 pm

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:06 pm your point is wrong... how about Ms Khofifah Indar Parawansa??

My point is wrong in your eyes. One swallow does not a summer make.

Are you saying that Muslim women the world over all have the same rights as Muslim men?

TOG wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:08 pm

Jamie_Lambo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:06 pm your point is wrong... how about Ms Khofifah Indar Parawansa??

My point is wrong in your eyes. One swallow does not a summer make.

Are you saying that Muslim women the world over all have the same rights as Muslim men?

TOG wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:00 pm Give them complete equality and see what happens.

that genius wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:31 pm

TOG wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:00 pm Give them complete equality and see what happens.

The EU happens.

American/UK fake liberalism happens. Ooh..Myanmar! What about Palestine? Oh, that's different...

Rabid gender-equity/ climate change/whatever's in vogue sponsored by bureaucrat UN crap happens.