Covid-19

nerdlinger · Post by **nerdlinger** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:24 pm

Haden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:06 pm
I would take some fatigue and memory loss if it means having a job to feed my children.

And we also don't know the long affects of the vaccine either.
I've heard stories of people dying from it, but I've not seen it with my own eyes so I can't verify it.

I don’t think you understand what fatigue means for a lot of covid sufferers. You wouldn’t be able to work that job to feed your children. You wouldn’t be able to get out of bed most days.

hburns · Post by **hburns** » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:57 pm

Haden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 pm
hburns wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:30 pm
Haden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:10 pm
Freightdog wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:45 pm
Haden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:19 pm Has a 'healthy' person ever died from covid-19?
By healthy I mean, under say 70 years old, not really fat and with no chronic underlying health issues.?
I’m curious about your question, and it’s motive. The reason being that I think there are (at least) two variations or considerations on this

-under say 70 years old, not really fat and with no chronic or unknownunderlying health issues.
-under say 70 years old, not really fat and with no known chronic underlying health issues.
Yes, sorry it was quite a broad/vague question.
The motive is harmless, I really want to know if a person has died from covid-19 who were not going to die that day or very soon after if they did not have covid 19
You're from the UK so look at the number of deaths in the past year and see how many more it has been than the expected yearly deaths. Why do you think the number of deaths has been so much higher than expected?

It sounds like you have been incredibly lucky and have not known anyone close to you getting very sick or dying from covid. But, you also come across as having an agenda with your comments. Why don't you trust the doctors and nurses when they talk about the huge impact the virus is having on the health system? Why don't you trust the scientists who have devoted their life's work to understanding viruses? Are you just venting frustration at you current situation and of being out of work? Or are you looking for some unknown person online to reaffirm you warped beliefs that this is all exaggerated or maybe even made up?
I don't believe the deaths are much higher.
I don't trust the doctors and nurses (if they have said it's having a huge impact on the health service)
Because from what i have seen it isn't having a huge impact, I've never seen hospitals so quiet.
We made a nightingale hospital which could accommodate 100's and never needed it.

"Or are you looking for some unknown person online to reaffirm you warped beliefs that this is all exaggerated or maybe even made up?"
Yes, maybe

Let's hope you don't catch it then as you are clearly mentally challenged already, imagine how much worse that would be if you were suffering from long covid.

You don't believe the numbers are much higher despite FACTS which prove they are.
You don't trust doctors and nurse who have a lot more experience with boots on the ground than you. Just look at Europe now, France is having to send covid patients across the country so they can be treated, other countries (i believe its Czech Republic) sending covid patients to other countries as they haven't the facilities to treat them due to being at capacity already.
You have never seen hospitals so quiet? Where have you seen this? Which parts of the hospitals were so quiet? Would it be the out patients area by any chance?
The main reason for nightingale hospitals not being used was probably more to do with not having the staff needed to run them, just because they were built and equipped doesn't mean loads of extra specialist appear out of thin air.

Its a shit situation for all of us but denying its real is not the right way to get life back to normal. Half the problem has been bad leadership and the other half has been the fools with your kind of thinking. You have your opinion based on zero facts, its based solely on what you have decided you want to believe.

Anchor Moy · Post by **Anchor Moy** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:01 am

Haden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:19 pm Has a 'healthy' person ever died from covid-19?
By healthy I mean, under say 70 years old, not really fat and with no chronic underlying health issues.?

Why are you asking this question on a Cambodian expat forum ? Try Google.

Post by **Freightdog** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:56 am

Anchor Moy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:01 am
Haden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:19 pm Has a 'healthy' person ever died from covid-19?
By healthy I mean, under say 70 years old, not really fat and with no chronic underlying health issues.?
Why are you asking this question on a Cambodian expat forum ? Try Google.

I’m presuming that that reply is not entirely serious.

But why not ask a question here? It’s the general chatter area. It’s just a question. You could be sat in a bar with someone you know and ask the same question. (Maybe these days, the bar has been closed, but I would hope most adults not limited by OCD would understand that point). Google a question on many subjects, and you’ll get some much rubbish in response, it’s tantamount to being the same as those scruffy kids picking through the piles of trash in case they find something useful that you or I binned.

It’s curious though, the subtle animosity that creeps in as a result of someone asking a question.
The initial question was quite simple.
‘Has a healthy person ever died from COVID-19?’

There’s a number of diseases that result in compromised health, and the patient subsequently dies or becomes very ill as a result of other conditions that develop, or illnesses/diseases that are contracted. HIV was quite famous for that.
COVID-19 is associated with ongoing compromised health issues, especially related to breathing (no surprise, it’s a related bug).
It’s cited as causing deaths, but I’d say that from what is presented in the media, it would be hard to establish any figures for people who were otherwise healthy, and then died as a direct result of Covid only. ie didn’t develop another condition/problem that pushed them over the edge.

For a long while, the media was largely awash with the two main considerations- Got Covid, and lived. Got Covid, and died. This has skewed a lot of people’s thinking and behaviour. (You can see some of that in a few responses in this thread)
But it’s not a purely binary result. There’s a whole range of results in between dead, and alive. I’d suggest that those who can sift through the hyperbole, paranoia, and often offensive responses to queries on the whole COVID matter should be VERY concerned about where they might fall, should they be unlucky enough to catch it, and lucky enough to survive.

Is everyone who got Covid and were subsequently ill, but ultimately lived- 100% healthy now? There’s sufficient information now to say No. Long COVID, ongoing other issues have been reported.

Did everyone who first developed symptoms and subsequently was diagnosed as having COVID, become critically ill? Again, No. I have colleagues who were clearly diagnosed with COVID, who were mildly ill for a few days, subsequently recovered, and are back to health.
But there’s also a colleague who was quite ill for many months, and he slowly recovered. He’s sufficiently back to health, but often feels fatigued.

There were several reports in the media of medical staff who died, but were deemed perfectly fit and healthy until they contracted COVID. Did they die because of COVID, or some other additional factors. Unknown. Certainly to me. If anyone claims to know for certain, I’d be interested to know how they know.

How many fit and healthy people are walking around believing they are without underlying health conditions? For those people enthusiastically raising the hand, have a thought. How many people do you personally know, prior to all this COVID business, that died totally unexpectedly of a health related issue. Heart attack, very young. Aneurism. Stroke. Cancer.
The assumption often being that underlying health conditions have been diagnosed. Diabetes, blood pressure, heart conditions, renal problems.

But you could spend your life either being crippled by fear, or running around with reckless abandon. Neither being a sensible approach, once you’ve made an adequate risk assessment.

Haden · Post by **Haden** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:53 am

hburns wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:57 pm
Haden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 pm
hburns wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:30 pm
Haden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:10 pm
Freightdog wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:45 pm

I’m curious about your question, and it’s motive. The reason being that I think there are (at least) two variations or considerations on this

-under say 70 years old, not really fat and with no chronic or unknownunderlying health issues.
-under say 70 years old, not really fat and with no known chronic underlying health issues.
Yes, sorry it was quite a broad/vague question.
The motive is harmless, I really want to know if a person has died from covid-19 who were not going to die that day or very soon after if they did not have covid 19
You're from the UK so look at the number of deaths in the past year and see how many more it has been than the expected yearly deaths. Why do you think the number of deaths has been so much higher than expected?

It sounds like you have been incredibly lucky and have not known anyone close to you getting very sick or dying from covid. But, you also come across as having an agenda with your comments. Why don't you trust the doctors and nurses when they talk about the huge impact the virus is having on the health system? Why don't you trust the scientists who have devoted their life's work to understanding viruses? Are you just venting frustration at you current situation and of being out of work? Or are you looking for some unknown person online to reaffirm you warped beliefs that this is all exaggerated or maybe even made up?
I don't believe the deaths are much higher.
I don't trust the doctors and nurses (if they have said it's having a huge impact on the health service)
Because from what i have seen it isn't having a huge impact, I've never seen hospitals so quiet.
We made a nightingale hospital which could accommodate 100's and never needed it.

"Or are you looking for some unknown person online to reaffirm you warped beliefs that this is all exaggerated or maybe even made up?"
Yes, maybe
Let's hope you don't catch it then as you are clearly mentally challenged already, imagine how much worse that would be if you were suffering from long covid.

You don't believe the numbers are much higher despite FACTS which prove they are.
You don't trust doctors and nurse who have a lot more experience with boots on the ground than you. Just look at Europe now, France is having to send covid patients across the country so they can be treated, other countries (i believe its Czech Republic) sending covid patients to other countries as they haven't the facilities to treat them due to being at capacity already.
You have never seen hospitals so quiet? Where have you seen this? Which parts of the hospitals were so quiet? Would it be the out patients area by any chance?
The main reason for nightingale hospitals not being used was probably more to do with not having the staff needed to run them, just because they were built and equipped doesn't mean loads of extra specialist appear out of thin air.

Its a shit situation for all of us but denying its real is not the right way to get life back to normal. Half the problem has been bad leadership and the other half has been the fools with your kind of thinking. You have your opinion based on zero facts, its based solely on what you have decided you want to believe.

Ive never denied it's real.
I simply asked, if anyone, knows anybody (who was relatively healthy) whos died from it.
And on this thread I've not seen a yes.

Post by **Freightdog** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:13 am

Haden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:53 am I simply asked, if anyone, knows anybody (who was relatively healthy) whos died from it.
And on this thread I've not seen a yes.

Actually, No. You asked this-

Haden wrote: Has a 'healthy' person ever died from covid-19?
By healthy I mean, under say 70 years old, not really fat and with no chronic underlying health issues.?

Which is the basis of the ongoing discussion. Bad enough that people read into a question, something that isn’t there. Worse still, asking a completely different question to what you want an answer to.

Haden · Post by **Haden** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:49 am

Freightdog wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:13 am
Haden wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:53 am I simply asked, if anyone, knows anybody (who was relatively healthy) whos died from it.
And on this thread I've not seen a yes.
Actually, No. You asked this-
Haden wrote: Has a 'healthy' person ever died from covid-19?
By healthy I mean, under say 70 years old, not really fat and with no chronic underlying health issues.?
Which is the basis of the ongoing discussion. Bad enough that people read into a question, something that isn’t there. Worse still, asking a completely different question to what you want an answer to.

Yes, the same thing!

ergosemper · Post by **ergosemper** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:55 am

xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:01 pm
nerdlinger wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:18 pm
xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:56 pmNOPE.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales
1,549 deaths in England and Wales of people aged below 65 with no other health conditions in 2020 (i.e. not including the bulk of the second wave). But perhaps you have access to information the rest of us don't.
oh shit maybe Im wrong! I'm 34 and fit as a fiddle should i be scared of covid?

Yes being afraid is a natural response to any threat and this virus is a real one. Being scared is a natural response to a potentially dangerous and devastating situation but most importantly it helps one cope and anticipate which in turn encourages prophylactic measures.

Many take this virus for granted, not knowing it can end that one (and only one) life they are entitled to.

samrong01 · Post by **samrong01** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:11 am

xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:01 pm
nerdlinger wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:18 pm
xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:56 pmNOPE.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales
1,549 deaths in England and Wales of people aged below 65 with no other health conditions in 2020 (i.e. not including the bulk of the second wave). But perhaps you have access to information the rest of us don't.
oh shit maybe Im wrong! I'm 34 and fit as a fiddle should i be scared of covid?

The government says that you should be terrified and should do exactly what they say or you will die while I say bullshit. Who do you believe - the government or some random person on the internet?

Oh and by the way, the UK government counts anyone who has ever had COVID19 as a COVID19 death regardless of the actual cause of death.

Apollo91881 · Post by **Apollo91881** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:43 am

samrong01 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:11 am
xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:01 pm
nerdlinger wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:18 pm
xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:56 pmNOPE.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales
1,549 deaths in England and Wales of people aged below 65 with no other health conditions in 2020 (i.e. not including the bulk of the second wave). But perhaps you have access to information the rest of us don't.
oh shit maybe Im wrong! I'm 34 and fit as a fiddle should i be scared of covid?
The government says that you should be terrified and should do exactly what they say or you will die while I say bullshit. Who do you believe - the government or some random person on the internet?

Oh and by the way, the UK government counts anyone who has ever had COVID19 as a COVID19 death regardless of the actual cause of death.

I've heard statements similar to this several times now, that everything is being called COVID. It's complete and utter fucking nonsense.

The best way to explanation it:
"I have Type 1 diabetes. I am healthy enough to run ultramarathons.
If I get attacked by a bear & the ICU has trouble managing my blood sugar while caring for my bear attack wounds...and I die... the bear is the cause of my death."

COVID is the bear.

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