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vladimir · Post by **vladimir** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:42 pm

General Mackevili wrote:
Advocatus Diaboli wrote:
General Mackevili wrote: Do you think we shouldn't vaccinate any children for anything until they turn 18 also? Seems nobody consulting them and letting them decide themselves if the pros outweigh the cons is unethical.
A vaccination extends your child's chances to survive. Mutilation not.
Avoiding an HIV infection seems like a surefire way to live longer, if you ask me.

Ok, I'm out. At this point I can't see us going anywhere but around in circles.

Yeah, because bozos like you insist on assuming that every male is whoring around.

There are some males on the planet who will probably practise safe sex, stop projecting one lifestyle type onto every other male.

You only concern seems to be about HIV, tell us more...

It's about WAY more than HIV/AIDS, get with the programme.

But just for you, we could also assume that a decent parent would give the kid enough info and give him access to circumcision before he shagged the first time.

Just because the conversation isn't focused on your particular concern doesn't mean it's going around in circles.

LTO · Post by **LTO** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:47 pm

TheGrinchSR wrote:
LTO wrote:
Male circumcision provides a degree of protection against acquiring HIV infection, equivalent to what a vaccine of high efficacy would have achieved...When controlling for behavioural factors, including sexual behaviour that increased slightly in the intervention group, condom use, and health-seeking behaviour, the protection was of 61%...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16231970
And this study has been completely discredited now. It was bullshit, rushed through in order to push an anti-AIDS agenda in Africa. No such protection is gleaned from circumcision.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-riz ... 49728.html

Science presses on regardless of what anti-circumcision activist Ali Rizvi managed to spin up for HuffPo 6 years ago. Here is what the World Health Organization says today: http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/

LTO · Post by **LTO** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:49 pm

Advocatus Diaboli wrote:
General Mackevili wrote: Avoiding an HIV infection seems like a surefire way to live longer, if you ask me.

Ok, I'm out. At this point I can't see us going anywhere but around in circles.
A baby doesn't get HIV through sexual intercourse !!!! I'm out, too....because of the circle thing.

HPV

TheGrinchSR · Post by **TheGrinchSR** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:55 pm

LTO wrote:
TheGrinchSR wrote:
LTO wrote:
Male circumcision provides a degree of protection against acquiring HIV infection, equivalent to what a vaccine of high efficacy would have achieved...When controlling for behavioural factors, including sexual behaviour that increased slightly in the intervention group, condom use, and health-seeking behaviour, the protection was of 61%...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16231970
And this study has been completely discredited now. It was bullshit, rushed through in order to push an anti-AIDS agenda in Africa. No such protection is gleaned from circumcision.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-riz ... 49728.html
Science presses on regardless of what anti-circumcision activist Ali Rizvi managed to spin up for HuffPo 6 years ago. Here is what the World Health Organization says today: http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/

The WHO doesn't do science... not even a little bit. That's why they also recommend acupuncture which was discredited by its own lobbying body's research in the UK...

Here's Oxford University on the same issue... http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/20 ... read-aids/

YouTube · Post by **General Mackevili** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:15 pm

vladimir wrote:
General Mackevili wrote:
Advocatus Diaboli wrote:
General Mackevili wrote: Do you think we shouldn't vaccinate any children for anything until they turn 18 also? Seems nobody consulting them and letting them decide themselves if the pros outweigh the cons is unethical.
A vaccination extends your child's chances to survive. Mutilation not.
Avoiding an HIV infection seems like a surefire way to live longer, if you ask me.

Ok, I'm out. At this point I can't see us going anywhere but around in circles.
Yeah, because bozos like you insist on assuming that every male is whoring around.

There are some males on the planet who will probably practise safe sex, stop projecting one lifestyle type onto every other male.

You only concern seems to be about HIV, tell us more...

It's about WAY more than HIV/AIDS, get with the programme.

But just for you, we could also assume that a decent parent would give the kid enough info and give him access to circumcision before he shagged the first time.

Just because the conversation isn't focused on your particular concern doesn't mean it's going around in circles.

Yeah, because ONLY bozos that whore around get HIV, haha.

Dr Vlad.

Post by **Jamie_Lambo** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:22 pm

in britain only 15% of the male population are circumcised

We did not find any significant differences in the proportion of circumcised and uncircumcised British men reporting ever being diagnosed with any STI (11.1% compared with 10.8%, p = 0.815), bacterial STIs (6.4% cf 5.9%, p = 0.628), or viral STIs (4.7% cf 4.5%, p = 0.786) (table 1). We also found no significant associations between circumcision and being diagnosed with any one of the seven specific STIs.

BOFH · Post by **BOFH** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:15 pm

If the answer is cutting off a healthy piece of your body you're probably asking the wrong questions.

vladimir · Post by **vladimir** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:22 pm

General Mackevili wrote:Yeah, because ONLY bozos that whore around get HIV, haha.

Dr Vlad.

Whoooosh, as it goes right over your head.

Are you denying that whoring around increases the risk of getting HIV?

You know (I assume) that an increase in sexual partners puts people at more risk. So no, they're not the only people who get it (thanks for that startling revelation), but they are at increased risk.

I often think Ed was right, truly.

vladimir · Post by **vladimir** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:35 pm

In any case, bye.

So many people don't want me on here, no use in imposing myself.

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