Changes in ER (retirement) visa ? Proof of retirement required ?

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Luigi wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:08 pm I would speculate that a more likely scenario would be your home country immigration turning over info when & if you should return home for a visit. They would obviously see your absence for longer than needed to retain pension.
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Yes because immigration is connected to the pension "system".
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bangkokhooker wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:33 pm Yes because immigration is connected to the pension "system".
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Although not applicable to the first application for a one-, three-, six- or 12-month EB visa extension, the new rules apply to applications for all visa extensions if the applicant has previously held a six- or 12-month EB extension.
i thought there was meant to be no issues in getting a 3 month extension, only 6+12 month month extensions,
but this is saying its for ALL extensions, if youve previously extended by 6 or 12 in the past....
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Jamie_Lambo wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:23 am
Although not applicable to the first application for a one-, three-, six- or 12-month EB visa extension, the new rules apply to applications for all visa extensions if the applicant has previously held a six- or 12-month EB extension.
i thought there was meant to be no issues in getting a 3 month extension, only 6+12 month month extensions,
but this is saying its for ALL extensions, if youve previously extended by 6 or 12 in the past....
This latest report seems to have gathered information from us, and the FB Cambodia visa forum and interpreted it in their own way. The ministry of Immigration keep changing things every month but also don't make things clear.
Questions remain.
The EG maybe the only way to go for quite a few of us. Has anyone recently got one or applied???
I got a EB last time which has since expired (was a 6 months and I then left Cambodia ) At the time, I wanted ER but was told had to be 60. No mention of a EG, but was told I will have to have a EB. Since then the agents said they were told wrong and there was no defined age you need to be past. (all up in the air again!) Now soon I'll need extending again as I will get my 1month Ordinary visa at the airport on arrival. The word is, you cannot have a second EB without letter or work permit, so I could be screwed as I dont intend getting a WP and paying 7 or 8 years back stamps (I never worked during this time)
I also understood the EG was General , A visa ext that doesn't fit into any other category, for people not retired or working. Now I keep hearing that it's for people seeking work or gathering paperwork which seems a load of bollocks!. Folk are saying it's 6 months, someone else stating its got a 12 month option. Would be useful to know if it was multi entry too.
It seems the future for quite a few of us with connections, spouse, kids, property, investments but not working and folk who just love it here and stay up to a year or permanent is in limbo until there are clear translations from the immigration and dept of employment who never closely worked together before.
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Fourkinnel wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:22 am
Jamie_Lambo wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:23 am
Although not applicable to the first application for a one-, three-, six- or 12-month EB visa extension, the new rules apply to applications for all visa extensions if the applicant has previously held a six- or 12-month EB extension.
i thought there was meant to be no issues in getting a 3 month extension, only 6+12 month month extensions,
but this is saying its for ALL extensions, if youve previously extended by 6 or 12 in the past....
This latest report seems to have gathered information from us, and the FB Cambodia visa forum and interpreted it in their own way. The ministry of Immigration keep changing things every month but also don't make things clear.
Questions remain.
The EG maybe the only way to go for quite a few of us. Has anyone recently got one or applied???
I got a EB last time which has since expired (was a 6 months and I then left Cambodia ) At the time, I wanted ER but was told had to be 60. No mention of a EG, but was told I will have to have a EB. Since then the agents said they were told wrong and there was no defined age you need to be past. (all up in the air again!) Now soon I'll need extending again as I will get my 1month Ordinary visa at the airport on arrival. The word is, you cannot have a second EB without letter or work permit, so I could be screwed as I dont intend getting a WP and paying 7 or 8 years back stamps (I never worked during this time)
I also understood the EG was General , A visa ext that doesn't fit into any other category, for people not retired or working. Now I keep hearing that it's for people seeking work or gathering paperwork which seems a load of bollocks!. Folk are saying it's 6 months, someone else stating its got a 12 month option. Would be useful to know if it was multi entry too.
It seems the future for quite a few of us with connections, spouse, kids, property, investments but not working and folk who just love it here and stay up to a year or permanent is in limbo until there are clear translations from the immigration and dept of employment who never closely worked together before.
Why would the future of those be insecure here? Don't you think this addition will create new options?
Effective from October 2, 2017, those wishing to extend an EB visa for either six- or 12-months will be required to present the following documents at the time of application:

Employment letter (original) or
Work permit card issued by the ministry of labor (copy) or,
Business License or Patent certificate (copy) (for business owner) or,
Employment Contract valid until the latest date of extension or,
Relevant document stating the necessary of temporary stay in the Kingdom (copy)
The spouse, children, or partner living with the applicant will require a guarantee letter from the applicant’s employer.
I read the bold part as an opportunity for people not fitting the 'working', 'business' or 'retirement' groups to be able to get longer term extensions too.
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^ Yep, like those married to a Cambodian citizen.

As per usual, everything is as clear as mud. Carry on.
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info for what its worth; form of all places pattaya addicts:-)


Effective from October 2, 2017, those wishing to extend an EB Visa for either six- or 12-months will be required to present the following documents at the time of application:

Employment letter (original) or
Work permit card issued by the ministry of labor (copy) or,
Business License or Patent certificate (copy) (for business owner) or,
Employment Contract valid until the latest date of extension or,
Relevant document stating the necessary of temporary stay in the Kingdom (copy)
The spouse, children, or partner living with the applicant will require a guarantee letter from the applicant’s employer.


Cambodia travel agencies, law firms, and Visa agents received the new instructions in a letter last Friday, September 29, advising them that the new Cambodia Visa extension requirements would take effect starting October 2
Although not applicable to the first application for a one-, three-, six- or 12-month EB Visa extension, the new rules apply to applications for all Visa extensions if the applicant has previously held a six- or 12-month EB extension.

Also not affected by the new rules is Cambodia’s new ER (retirement) Visa, or the EG (general) Visa, both of which prohibit employment.

The new rules follow an announcement early last month of looming changes to the previously liberal criteria for six- and 12-month Cambodia business Visa extensions, that has seen a large influx of Westerners from Thailand in recent years as Visa requirements there have been gradually tightened.

Cambodia travel agencies, law firms, and Visa agents received the new instructions in a letter last Friday, September 29, advising them that the new requirements would take effect ‘starting October 2’.

The new rules state that if a foreigner wishes to apply for a subsequent six- or 12-month Visa extension and do not have the required documents they can change to an EG (general) Visa for six months while they gather the necessary paperwork.

No information as to whether the EG class Visa would be extended after the initial six months was available at the time of writing.

Business Visa Extensions: “It’s Unlike Before; It’s Getting Stricter”
One Cambodia travel agent who carries out what she describes as a “reasonable number” of Visa extensions for foreigners, but who wished to remain anonymous, told AEC News Today “it is unlike before; now the rules are getting stricter and stricter”.

The agent said that a letter from an employer “might” get a subsequent EB Visa extension, but that they had been told each “will be decided on a case-by-case basis, and be dependent on the Visa history of the applicant. If a person has had several EB Visa extensions already it is unlikely to be approved”, she said.

In addition to the stricter requirements for Cambodia business Visa restrictions, the new rules also require those who have overstayed their original Visa for more than 30-days to “personally go to the Department of Immigration (DoI) to get an extension”, she said.

The new rules are seen by many as a gradual tightening of what until now has been an extremely liberal Visa extension policy. Those intending to stay long term in Cambodia obtain an EI class (initial) business Visa on arrival for US$35. The Visa is valid for 30-days and in the past has been able to be extended indefinitely for six- or 12-month periods.
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This is the same wording on the same form that Jamie questioned re the 3 month ext ! There was supposed to be no WP or papers from employer needed. The report from before and that identical one is misleading ! In today's P Post the 3 month EB ext does NOT require anything!.
http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/w ... a-renewals
The new policy would require applicants to produce a Ministry of Labour-issued work permit and workbook, a letter from the employer attesting to their employment, or any other documents showing proof of work, when applying for a six-month or one-year business visa.

Those documents would not be required for one-month or three-month visas. Veasna said that the law did not specifically address freelance employees but that the department would try to accommodate them.
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