Changes in ER (retirement) visa ? Proof of retirement required ?

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dont know how to start a new topic so i will put this here.

Axe Falls on Endless Cambodia Visa Extensions

https://aecnewstoday.com/2017/axe-falls ... z4uMg1yI00

All you need to understand the current rules....

FOR THOSE WHO DONT WANT TO GO TO THE LINK.

After long being the easiest destination in Asean for foreigners to obtain a long stay visa, the Cambodia government has brought the axe down on the practice with new regulations governing the issuance of six- and 12-month business (EB) visa extensions.

Effective from October 2, 2017, those wishing to extend an EB visa for either six- or 12-months will be required to present the following documents at the time of application:

Employment letter (original) or
Work permit card issued by the ministry of labor (copy) or,
Business License or Patent certificate (copy) (for business owner) or,
Employment Contract valid until the latest date of extension or,
Relevant document stating the necessary of temporary stay in the Kingdom (copy)
The spouse, children, or partner living with the applicant will require a guarantee letter from the applicant’s employer.

Cambodia travel agencies, law firms, and visa agents received the new instructions in a letter last Friday, September 29, advising them that the new Cambodia visa extension requirements would take effect starting October 2
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Cambodia travel agencies, law firms, and visa agents received the new instructions in a letter last Friday, September 29, advising them that the new Cambodia visa extension requirements would take effect starting October 2
Although not applicable to the first application for a one-, three-, six- or 12-month EB visa extension, the new rules apply to applications for all visa extensions if the applicant has previously held a six- or 12-month EB extension.

Also not affected by the new rules is Cambodia’s new ER (retirement) visa, or the EG (general) visa, both of which prohibit employment.

The new rules follow an announcement early last month of looming changes to the previously liberal criteria for six- and 12-month Cambodia business visa extensions, that has seen a large influx of Westerners from Thailand in recent years as visa requirements there have been gradually tightened.




Cambodia travel agencies, law firms, and visa agents received the new instructions in a letter last Friday, September 29, advising them that the new requirements would take effect ‘starting October 2’.

The new rules state that if a foreigner wishes to apply for a subsequent six- or 12-month visa extension and do not have the required documents they can change to an EG (general) visa for six months while they gather the necessary paperwork.

No information as to whether the EG class visa would be extended after the initial six months was available at the time of writing.

Business Visa Extensions: “It’s Unlike Before; It’s Getting Stricter”
One Cambodia travel agent who carries out what she describes as a “reasonable number” of visa extensions for foreigners, but who wished to remain anonymous, told AEC News Today “it is unlike before; now the rules are getting stricter and stricter”.

The agent said that a letter from an employer “might” get a subsequent EB visa extension, but that they had been told each “will be decided on a case-by-case basis, and be dependent on the visa history of the applicant. If a person has had several EB visa extensions already it is unlikely to be approved”, she said.

In addition to the stricter requirements for Cambodia business visa restrictions, the new rules also require those who have overstayed their original visa for more than 30-days to “personally go to the Department of Immigration (DoI) to get an extension”, she said.

The new rules are seen by many as a gradual tightening of what until now has been an extremely liberal visa extension policy. Those intending to stay long term in Cambodia obtain an EI class (initial) business visa on arrival for US$35. The visa is valid for 30-days and in the past has been able to be extended indefinitely for six- or 12-month periods.



The days of endless Cambodia business visa extensions are coming to an end as the country tightens requirements and mandates for work permits for all long-stay visas after the first.
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The days of endless Cambodia business visa extensions are coming to an end as the country tightens requirements and mandates for work permits for all long-stay visas after the first.
This has allowed many people to stay in the Kingdom for years, working beneath the radar, and avoiding paying tax.

The new requirements will easily classify those who claim to be in the kingdom doing nothing, and those who are there working. Those who are working will be expected to be paying personal income tax, while those who claim to be self supporting may be required to prove their source of income and are expected to be dealt with harshly if caught working.

Under Cambodia law those caught carrying out activities not allowed by their class of visa are typically fined $100 and ordered to leave the country within seven days.

Last year Cambodia’s Ministry of Labour and Vocational Training (MOLVT) introduced an online system for work permit applications called the Foreign Workers Centralised Management System (FWCMS). After some initial teething problems the system now works smoothly and requires applicants to upload certain documents, including their first Cambodia visa, and the name and address of the employer.

The system currently accepts ‘freelance’ and ‘self-employed’ in the Employer entry field, but with the stricter enforcement of late of Cambodia’s new formalised tax regime, this is expected to change in the future.

An officer at the MOLVT who requested anonymity because he was not authorised to speak to the media said a lot of work is currently being done to enable data matching “to ensure people who are working in Cambodia are paying the appropriate PIT (personal income tax), but for now the requirements for foreigners in obtaining a work permit hasn’t changed”, he said.

As at the time of publication the DoI had not responded to a request for comment.



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I have seen this letter which some agencies have received...there is nothing official about it, not even a stamp or signature.

Doesn't mean it's not official, just saying it looks like a 10 yr old produced it, this is Cambodia the Kingdom of Wonder
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bangkokhooker wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:32 pm
PSD-Kiwi wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:11 pm No supporting documentation required for EG. After 12 mth EG EOS you need to apply for the EOS relevant to your situation ie. EB,ER... or leave the country. Will you be able to get another EG EOS? The sub-decree is not clear on this, as with everything else.
I saw a link to a news story at it implies that you can only get a max six month EG.
As per the latest visa sub-decree, the EG EOS is available for 1,3,6,12 mth extension of stays.
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How the fuck is one supposed to prove one is retired? One would need evidence of absence of a job.
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Cruisemonkey wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:30 pm How the fuck is one supposed to prove one is retired? One would need evidence of absence of a job.
With this bit of paper :D

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Kuroneko wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:39 pm
Cruisemonkey wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:30 pm How the fuck is one supposed to prove one is retired? One would need evidence of absence of a job.
With this bit of paper :D

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Hmmm... with enough of that, I could prove I was poor!
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For US born cits receiving SS there is a printable benefits schedule including amount. I would think all west world would have similar.If you are too young for pensions then how is your income earned? Has to be a paper trail. Shouldn't be that difficult unless your funds are from illegalities.
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Luigi wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:35 pm For US born cits receiving SS there is a printable benefits schedule including amount. I would think all west world would have similar.If you are too young for pensions then how is your income earned? Has to be a paper trail. Shouldn't be that difficult unless your funds are from illegalities.
Agree! The same in the UK. But the problem is living in Cambodia (out of the EU for a Brit) You would lose 25% at source on your pension payments.
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AndyKK wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:51 pm
Luigi wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:35 pm For US born cits receiving SS there is a printable benefits schedule including amount. I would think all west world would have similar.If you are too young for pensions then how is your income earned? Has to be a paper trail. Shouldn't be that difficult unless your funds are from illegalities.
Agree! The same in the UK. But the problem is living in Cambodia (out of the EU for a Brit) You would lose 25% at source on your pension payments.
WOW! I had no idea. May be same same for other countries. But providing a paper to immigration would be turned over to the home country pension administrators? Possible but highly improbable.

Let's give it a month & revisit. It's sure to change somewhat. Or could the work permit fee be paid & everything goes on as it was? Except there are those that would be a few shekels shorter.
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I would speculate that a more likely scenario would be your home country immigration turning over info when & if you should return home for a visit. They would obviously see your absence for longer than needed to retain pension.
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