CEO rules, playing nice and karma

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Re: CEO rules, playing nice and karma

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Rain Dog is hesitant about censorship being the answer.

He may be thinking......if you start, where do you stop.

Money is not allowed as a topic as it is in poor taste and makes
vlad uncomfortable. vlad wants it banned and will do whatever it takes.

And sex. It is handled carefully now, but isn't that a topic that could
blow up ? So no nightlife section. k440 never allowed it for that reason.

And if you censor all the topics that could cause a problem, the posters
that want to cause a problem will do that on a geese thread.
really! A remark made there almost blew up.
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Rain Dog wrote:I notice you did not include my original point in your reply perhaps out of fear of inflaming the previous Muslim Bashing thread. This is not my intention. If you value social cohesion more than spirited debate you might want to censor religious and political threads --- just as in real life Politics and Religion are topics best avoided in social situations. This is particularly true if racism or bigotry is involved.
I didn't mention it because I hadn't read that thread. By the time I saw it, it was already 14 pages long so I didn't bother. I am not sure about how I feel about censoring religious or political threads. I guess I would support banning abstract ones, but I still think posts about politics and religion in Cambodia are an important part of the forum. Personally, I just don't post on those sort of threads because they always end up with a fight.

Anyway, I value your contribution here. :)
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Dara wrote:Rain Dog is hesitant about censorship being the answer.

He may be thinking......if you start, where do you stop.

Money is not allowed as a topic as it is in poor taste and makes
vlad uncomfortable. vlad wants it banned and will do whatever it takes.

And sex. It is handled carefully now, but isn't that a topic that could
blow up ? So no nightlife section. k440 never allowed it for that reason.

And if you censor all the topics that could cause a problem, the posters
that want to cause a problem will do that on a geese thread.
really! A remark made there almost blew up.
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Every time I took away someone's karma they got angry and then posted about it and started hurling personal insults. Then you have the occasional jackass who craves the honor of having the most negative karma and behaves accordingly. For this reason I no longer use the karma function.

I agree with phuketrichard's idea of a like and dislike button (or youtube-style thumbs up and thumbs down) next to each post. It's less personal and more related to particular comments. But regardless, I agree with Giblet. We should all make an effort to let things go, and not feel the need to win every online argument. Get your point across and then let the last-word freaks have their day.

Any parts of a thread that degrade into an overly heated slag-fest should be removed from that thread and moved to their own thread in the asinine area asap.
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Soi Dog wrote: Any parts of a thread that degrade into an overly heated slag-fest should be removed from that thread and moved to their own thread in the asinine area asap.
The problem here is quite frequently the slagging and the topic being discussed are intertwined. Removing one separate from its context is nearly impossible.
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I also support the posts' like function. vBulletin has that, including embedded comments to posts themselves.

On another massive forum I know (1 million+ members), they use a reputation system (pretty much like Karma) but they set it up so that any one member cannot increase or decrease reputation points of another member immediately after he/she did. The member needs to spread out rep points to a certain number of other members before he/she can add or withdraw rep points to the previous member.
That's a good way of encouraging to spread out kudos and mitigate undue "rep wars."
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Joon wrote:I also support the posts' like function. vBulletin has that, including embedded comments to posts themselves.

On another massive forum I know (1 million+ members), they use a reputation system (pretty much like Karma) but they set it up so that any one member cannot increase or decrease reputation points of another member immediately after he/she did. The member needs to spread out rep points to a certain number of other members before he/she can add or withdraw rep points to the previous member.
That's a good way of encouraging to spread out kudos and mitigate undue "rep wars."

The problem with such systems is that they usually result in "Mob Rule". On some forums if your "reputation" is lowered enough, your posts are hidden. Thus having a diversity of viewpoints is much more difficult. For example if you expressed outrage at the latest Israeli slaughter of Civilians on Gaza and there was an organized Pro-Israel contingent on the board they would all attack your "reputation".

In many ways the "Reputation" function can turn out to be another form of Censorship if certain groups form to abuse it.
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Joon wrote:I also support the posts' like function. vBulletin has that, including embedded comments to posts themselves.

On another massive forum I know (1 million+ members), they use a reputation system (pretty much like Karma) but they set it up so that any one member cannot increase or decrease reputation points of another member immediately after he/she did. The member needs to spread out rep points to a certain number of other members before he/she can add or withdraw rep points to the previous member.
That's a good way of encouraging to spread out kudos and mitigate undue "rep wars."
what i REALLY like is what stackoverflow.com uses. when you ask questions (in this case, make a thread) you get points. when you answer a question (in this case, reply) you get points. when someone upvotes your answer (reply) you get points. You have to have a certain amount of points to be able to perform certain actions, like upvoting.

same goes for points being taken away, downvotes, reported posts that the admins think are in violation, etc.

really effective system... but also really complex and it would have to be coded from scratch for here, nothing like it exists for phpbb. rather frustrating aspect, the gamifaction mods for phpbb are quite limited.
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Rain Dog wrote:
Joon wrote:I also support the posts' like function. vBulletin has that, including embedded comments to posts themselves.

On another massive forum I know (1 million+ members), they use a reputation system (pretty much like Karma) but they set it up so that any one member cannot increase or decrease reputation points of another member immediately after he/she did. The member needs to spread out rep points to a certain number of other members before he/she can add or withdraw rep points to the previous member.
That's a good way of encouraging to spread out kudos and mitigate undue "rep wars."

The problem with such systems is that they usually result in "Mob Role". On some forums if your "reputation" is lowered enough, your posts are hidden. Thus having a diversity of viewpoints is much more difficult. For example if you expressed outrage at the latest Israeli slaughter of Civilians on Gaza and there was an organized Pro-Israel contingent on the board they would all attack your "reputation".

In many ways the "Reputation" function can turn out to be another form of Censorship if certain groups form to abuse it.
agreed. that's where admin moderation would have to stand in and do something. as well as building the system so any one user's ability to effect another negative is more limited than their ability to effect them positively.
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