Cambodian Muslims Coming to Saudi Arabia to Visit Me!

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48966: Greeting a kaafir first

Is it permissible for a Muslim to great a non-Muslim first?.
Praise be to Allaah.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on greeting non-Muslims. He replied as follows:

Greeting a non-Muslim first is haraam and is not permitted, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not initiate the greeting with the Jews and Christians, and if you meet them in the street push them towards the narrowest part of it.” But if they greet us we have to respond to them, because of the general meaning of the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or (at least) return it equally”

[al-Nisa’ 4:86]

The Jews used to greet the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by saying, “Al-saam ‘alaykum ya Muhammad (Death be upon you, O Muhammad),” praying that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would die. So the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Jews say ‘al-saam ‘alaykum (death be upon you),’ so if they greet you, then say, ‘Wa ‘alaykum (and also upon you).’”

If a non-Muslim greets a Muslim by saying “al-saamu ‘alaykum,” then we should respond by saying “wa ‘alaykum (and also upon you).” The fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said “wa ‘alaykum” indicates that if they were saying “al-salaamu ‘alaykum (peace be upon you),” then peace will also be upon them, i.e., whatever they say to us, we say to them. Hence some of the scholars said that if a Jew, Christian or other non-Muslim clearly says “al-salaamu ‘alaykum,” it is permissible for us to say “ ‘alaykum al-salaam (upon you be peace).”

Similarly it is not permissible to initiate a greeting such as Ahlan wa sahlan (welcome) and the like, because that is a kind of honouring them. But if they say something like that to us, then we should say something similar to them, because the greeting should be returned in like manner and each person should be given his due. It is well known that the Muslims are higher in status before Allaah, so they should not humiliate themselves in front of non-Muslims by greeting them first.

So, in conclusion, it is not permissible for us to greet non-Muslims first, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade that, and because this is a humiliation for the Muslim when he starts to honour a non-Muslim. The Muslim is higher in status before Allaah, so he should not humiliate himself in this manner. But if we are greeted then we should return the greeting in similar terms.

Similarly it is not permissible for us to greet them first with words such as Ahlan wa sahlan (welcome), Marhaban (hello) and so on, because that is a kind of honouring them, so it is like initiating the greeting of salaams with them. Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 3/33.

If there is a need to greet a kaafir first, there is no sin in that, but it should be something other than the greeting of salaam, such as saying Ahlan wa sahlan or How are you, etc. In that case the greeting is for a reason, not to honour him.

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 25/168.

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Zaad al-Ma’aad (2/424), concerning greeting a kaafir first:

A group of scholars said: It is permissible to greet him first if that serves a purpose, or for fear of his harm, or because of blood ties, or for a reason that requires that.

And Allaah knows best.
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^ The no-fun zone. I can't wait to go back.
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General Mackevili wrote:^ The no-fun zone. I can't wait to go back. Image
you should relax...go for a massage...i hear they really work that deep tissue well over there...and a firm grip for your happy ending...lol
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Hey GM, maybe once you've finished teaching the camel jockeys in Saudi you could try your hand at teaching in Kurdistan, Iraq. Quite a decent nightlife, plenty of lonely Western and Kurdish females and no Sharia Law (unless Daash/IS sucessfully gain power!). I have to admit though, that the expat scene up there reminds me more of the well paid pretentious expat NGO community we all love in PP, rather than the rough and rugged oil & gas workers they're supposed to be.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... tml#page=2
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PSD-Kiwi wrote:
Quite a decent nightlife, plenty of lonely Western and Kurdish females and no Sharia Law (unless Daash/IS sucessfully gain power!).
I'm sold! ! ! Sharia Law ain't no fun!

I found myself playing Scrabble a few weekends ago. FUCKING SCRABBLE! ! ? ! ! There is NO denying I could be in better places, and when Iraq is on the list of those "better places".....well...

Meh, it's probably good for me to be here a while. I never realized how much money I spent on women and booze, until there were no women and booze to spend it on.
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come back soon...work for Zarman
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badneighour wrote:come back soon...work for Zarman
Ha! I guess I'd slide right in over there.
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Zaman is a pure cult.
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frank lee bent wrote:Zaman is a pure cult.
Sounds like a breath of fresh air, from where I'm standing, LoL.
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Been reading some startling speculations on the origins of Islam. Seems a lot of the names and ideas go back to egypt.
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