CaliforniaGuy wrote:I am not a lawyer (never even played one on TV) and I don't know where you come from, but wonder why you would want Cambodian citizenship. In some cases for U.S. citizens, if they voluntarily become citizens of another country, can loose their U.S. citizenship. I would carefully check out the laws of your home country first, because do you know how hard it is to travel abroad on only a Cambodian passport? In 2018 there will be elections here (maybe). The party in power will likely (maybe) loose, and just as likely (maybe) won't leave. In situations like that things can get difficult fast and the best thing an expat can have is their passport to board a plane.

There is no more forced renouncing of US citizenship by the US (though the 2nd country may demand it as a term of citizenship... Cambodia doesn't). In fact, it's now getting hard to even voluntarily do so.

In general, the reasoning is easy for any long term expats who have made a life in Cambodia. If the visa situation changes (as we saw it just did slightly) they're not fucked. Really goes hand in hand with that 2018 election as well... as who's to say what the immigration/visitor/etc policy might be if there's a power change (or a civil war).

There won't be a civil war. Cambodia is well into a generational awakening era as there are plenty of survivors of the last crisis (Pol Pot). In a generation awakening era the survivors of the last crisis will do everything to avoid another. However, once the survivors all die or are replaced by a younger generation who have no memory of the last crisis that's a generational crisis era and then it is merely a matter of time before another crisis happens. Generational crisis eras happen every 70 years or so.

you're suggesting that the fall of pol pot and the rise of HE demarcated the end of a cycle and thus began a "high era". what part of the current cultural climate of cambodia, or at any time in the last 30 years, would indicate to you a unified society with a clear mind towards where it wants to be? if anything it was one small crisis in exchange for escaping one big crisis, and they're still in it.

in regards to the concept as a whole, i like strouss-howe. it's a cool theory and really does work well in a number of sociological models... i just think it doesn't with this one.

CaliforniaGuy wrote: In some cases for U.S. citizens, if they voluntarily become citizens of another country, can loose their U.S. citizenship. I would carefully check out the laws of your home country first, because do you know how hard it is to travel abroad on only a Cambodian passport? In 2018 there will be elections here (maybe). The party in power will likely (maybe) loose, and just as likely (maybe) won't leave. In situations like that things can get difficult fast and the best thing an expat can have is their passport to board a plane.

Exactly that. And btw........in 2018 you don't want to be in Cambodia....believe me. Things will be going quickly out of hand and with that Sam Rainsy idiot in power your (foreign) ass will be on the line. History repeats itself !!!!!! They haven't learned ANYTHING.

IraHayes wrote:There won't be a civil war.

You are an optimist, aren't you ?

Points are somewhat equally valid. Yea, it is true, the younger generations will gradually forgot about the genocide -- Cambodia is moving too fast. People are lost trying to keep up with the technological and modern trends. In term of forgetting their historical past, the same can be argued about other countries. For instance, the Korean war. The survivors of the KR regime, does not positively impact this country; if anything, imo, they are happy to be alive due to the horror and tremor. Hence, I think this oppressed regime used it to their advantage...with the backing of the communists.

Regardless whether the youth forgetting about this country's historical past is irrelevant in term of livelihood. Their lives will be impacted and hard. I envisage there will be a major eruption within this decade from the continuous stagnant in income, crazy inflation, suppression and oppression freedom of speech and especially in sorry states on one's family, parents and siblings.

The future of this country is fragile and in a sorry sate. The economy relies on exports, and they are depleting or soon going extinct. Unless they can pull the South Korea miracle, which I highly doubt.

CaliforniaGuy wrote:

flying chicken wrote:A Khmer national ID card is suffice for equally getting the same right as the locals.

How does one get this? What rights does it give you that you don't have with a business visa and work permit? What did you mean, the same rights as locals, you mean land ownership property rights also or you no longer need a visa? Never heard of this before.

You only need the id card to get a passport.

iluvu wrote:

CaliforniaGuy wrote:

flying chicken wrote:A Khmer national ID card is suffice for equally getting the same right as the locals.

How does one get this? What rights does it give you that you don't have with a business visa and work permit? What did you mean, the same rights as locals, you mean land ownership property rights also or you no longer need a visa? Never heard of this before.

You only need the id card to get a passport.

And what do you need to get the ID card ?

flying chicken wrote:Points are somewhat equally valid. Yea, it is true, the younger generations will gradually forgot about the genocide -- Cambodia is moving too fast. People are lost trying to keep up with the technological and modern trends. In term of forgetting their historical past, the same can be argued about other countries. For instance, the Korean war. The survivors of the KR regime, does not positively impact this country; if anything, imo, they are happy to be alive due to the horror and tremor. Hence, I think this oppressed regime used it to their advantage...with the backing of the communists.

Regardless whether the youth forgetting about this country's historical past is irrelevant in term of livelihood. Their lives will be impacted and hard. I envisage there will be a major eruption within this decade from the continuous stagnant in income, crazy inflation, suppression and oppression freedom of speech and especially in sorry states on one's family, parents and siblings.

The future of this country is fragile and in a sorry sate. The economy relies on exports, and they are depleting or soon going extinct. Unless they can pull the South Korea miracle, which I highly doubt.

You talk a lot of sense at times flying chicken.
A lot of crazy shit at other times.

CaliforniaGuy wrote:

flying chicken wrote:A Khmer national ID card is suffice for equally getting the same right as the locals.

What did you mean, the same rights as locals, you mean land ownership property rights...

Get the Khmer national ID card and you too can have your property stolen by any well-connected local who wants it and then get beaten senseless and jailed when your protest.