Cambodia's appeal: do you hope it goes hi-tech or stays simple?

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Re: Cambodia's appeal: do you hope it goes hi-tech or stays simple?

Post by John Bingham » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:43 am

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Fox is the loyal opposition to the mainstream media who tell people what to think.
It saddens me when seemingly intelligent posters fall hook-line-and sinker for obvious propaganda. None of the news sources are impartial, so stop deluding yourself into thinking that any one of them has any more merit than another. The truth is often hard to discern and you may have to check many opposing sources to get a bigger picture. Please stop parroting propaganda, it's just annoying and makes me wonder if you have one single original thought in your head.
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Re: Cambodia's appeal: do you hope it goes hi-tech or stays simple?

Post by techietraveller84 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:03 am

Phnom Poon wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:36 am
what is meant by 'smart city', can you give some examples?
or is it code for 'surveillance city'
Some real life examples of every day items that exhibit Smart City characteristics:

1. Google maps or Waze: both apps show real time traffic situations and help drivers find the quickest way to their destination

2. In parts of the New York City metropolitan area, residents can reach the police through an app, and police are known to respond quickly and efficiently afterwards. This can help with noisy neighbors or a suspicious person snooping around the neighborhood.

I've linked an article that provides a decent definition: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/sm ... ons-guide/
"There is a range of definitions of a smart city, but the consensus is that smart cities utilize IoT sensors, actuators, and technology to connect components across the city. This connects every layer of a city, from the air to the street to underground. It's when you can derive data from everything that is connected and utilize it to improve the lives of citizens and improve communication between citizens and the government that a city becomes a smart city, said Esmeralda Swartz, head of strategy and marketing of the software business unit for Ericsson."

For some countries, like China and Laos, this can result in a surveillance state. For others, incredible convenience for residents. For most, it's a mix.
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Re: Cambodia's appeal: do you hope it goes hi-tech or stays simple?

Post by BklynBoy » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:15 am

techietraveller84 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:03 am
Phnom Poon wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:36 am
what is meant by 'smart city', can you give some examples?
or is it code for 'surveillance city'
Some real life examples of every day items that exhibit Smart City characteristics:

1. Google maps or Waze: both apps show real time traffic situations and help drivers find the quickest way to their destination

2. In parts of the New York City metropolitan area, residents can reach the police through an app, and police are known to respond quickly and efficiently afterwards. This can help with noisy neighbors or a suspicious person snooping around the neighborhood.

I've linked an article that provides a decent definition: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/sm ... ons-guide/
"There is a range of definitions of a smart city, but the consensus is that smart cities utilize IoT sensors, actuators, and technology to connect components across the city. This connects every layer of a city, from the air to the street to underground. It's when you can derive data from everything that is connected and utilize it to improve the lives of citizens and improve communication between citizens and the government that a city becomes a smart city, said Esmeralda Swartz, head of strategy and marketing of the software business unit for Ericsson."

For some countries, like China and Laos, this can result in a surveillance state. For others, incredible convenience for residents. For most, it's a mix.
Techi is right about Waze... many people use it here ( NYC) .. including some friends. I been in the car and we have it on. It gives real time traffic info and the police... so you know to slow down.. funny the way he described Waze and the way we use Waze... when driving its to AVOID police.. not find them..lol.
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Re: Cambodia's appeal: do you hope it goes hi-tech or stays simple?

Post by techietraveller84 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:22 am

Sorry about the confusion BklynBoy... I didn't mean that Waze helps people find police; I was referring in point 2, to other apps that connect citizens with police in a rather anonymous way. Below is a Wall Street Journal article about one such app, CS-NYC. I've heard good things about it from NY friends.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nypd-deplo ... 1568329431
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Re: Cambodia's appeal: do you hope it goes hi-tech or stays simple?

Post by Phnom Poon » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:39 am

techietraveller84 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:03 am
For some countries, like China and Laos, this can result in a surveillance state. For others, incredible convenience for residents. For most, it's a mix.
'convenience', but who's, ultimately?
what's the likely outcome for cambodia?

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Post by SternAAlbifrons » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:49 am

"… to make decisions, or allow your decision-making to be influenced by a third party who has a fraction of the information that you have, overall isn’t a great strategy.”

and that's from a master puppeteer herself
Marissa Mayer — former CEO, Yahoo; cofounder and CEO, Lumi Labs

So you put Siri and Alexa et al into your home so she ^^^ and Mark Zukerberg, and Jeff Bezos and Jack Ma can know everything about you - so you can hand your decision making over to them more completely. Become the full zombi.
And Donald Trump and Al Putin and HE can tune in too, if they want. (and they do)

Hey, i just downloaded the latest App! and bought the latest surveillance device for the family!!
I'm serious! - about us and the kids doin' the Full Zombi. What's piddling privacy, and basic principles of freedom, compared to that kinda convenience?!!

I'm staggered, 'astonished beyond words.
I don't believe people would do that. 'Doesn't compute.
I shoot myself in the head at the wonder of it all. chuckle. I do.

Not sure what this song has to to with it, not much -except it mentions words like loose, and freedom..
It's very soulful too, so a lot of people won't be able to get their device to interpret it for them.
probably good they won't ever know what they lost...

Personally, i would prefer to be busted flat in Baton Rouge, waitin' for a train
feeling near as faded as my jeans..
than have Siri sitting in my shiny groovy high-tech pad sucking in absolutely everything about the old me - and pulling the levers for my newly-minted, super-efficient, zombi life.
But then, we all know i am very old fashioned and nearly dead anyway. LOL. Thank the heavens.

"...and Siri shared the secrets of maa soul
La la lahh, la la lahh.
la la , lu lu lahh ...
hey hey hey, now it's just Siri and me.."
(soulfully)
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Re: Cambodia's appeal: do you hope it goes hi-tech or stays simple?

Post by newkidontheblock » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:36 pm

Uhhh...

So I take it you don’t PassApp or Grab for no-haggle pricing and still use Mr. Tuk Tuk and haggle for each trip? Or your better half doesn’t use the ABA app to WING money?

Tech is already in Cambodia. It will incrementally increase over time. It’s up to the people on how it’s used.
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Re: Cambodia's appeal: do you hope it goes hi-tech or stays simple?

Post by Phnom Poon » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:57 pm

those aren't really smart city though, just companies using technology

but even in the case of tuktuk apps, I've noticed it's now more difficult to just call a tuktuk manually

the key for me is what are the hidden costs and consequences of some convenience
and can i realistically opt out if i don't like the trade-off

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Re: Cambodia's appeal: do you hope it goes hi-tech or stays simple?

Post by DonVonttila » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:34 pm

Phnom Poon wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:36 am
bah keep it for the racetrack and road trips
cars have no place in cities

what is meant by 'smart city', can you give some examples?
or is it code for 'surveillance city'
Obviously "smart city" is a code for totalitarism its showing so clearly in My home country, dont ruin Cambodia to please 😂💔😀, but i Guess i wont be to Long now before Cambodia also adopt a "social credit Score system". After all its turning into China 2.0 :( .
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Re: Cambodia's appeal: do you hope it goes hi-tech or stays simple?

Post by Clemen » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:34 pm

Phnom Poon wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:39 am
techietraveller84 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:03 am
For some countries, like China and Laos, this can result in a surveillance state. For others, incredible convenience for residents. For most, it's a mix.
'convenience', but who's, ultimately?
what's the likely outcome for cambodia?
Well, that's what the discussion is about. I don't see an agenda from techie, only a conversation starter.
So, what are your thoughts?
Personally I'm a reluctant Luddite at heart. I am completely against a surveillance state, but it's becoming the norm. Since I see no way to avoid this how can we essentially co-opt it to make city planning (for instance) more efficient?
Conscience can be a terrible thing. So I hear. Not if you're something like me, of course. I don't give a fuck. Iain M Banks
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