Mr Butterfly 136

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Re: Mr Butterfly 136

Post by Paulo » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:28 am

Many noise complaints against Mr. B. Maybe he finally gave up the fight.
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Re: Mr Butterfly 136

Post by Cam Nivag » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:39 am

Doc67 wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:47 am


Air Con inside that makes a difference, fans that make a difference both indoors and outdoors, clean comfortable seating (not broken plastic seats on rusty metals frames with rusty sharp bits just waiting to gouge you and/or rip your clothing), a bar area that gets cleaned regularly, clean toilets with soap and paper towels, decent staff and service, decent beer at $1 or thereabouts, good food.

Larry's, for example, ticks all those boxes, many others come close enough such as Cadillac which has 75c beer too. Both have a regular clientele as a result.

Cadillac loses money because you can't profitably tick all those boxes when selling 75 cent beer.
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Re: Mr Butterfly 136

Post by hanno » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:01 am

Cam Nivag wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:39 am
Doc67 wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:47 am


Air Con inside that makes a difference, fans that make a difference both indoors and outdoors, clean comfortable seating (not broken plastic seats on rusty metals frames with rusty sharp bits just waiting to gouge you and/or rip your clothing), a bar area that gets cleaned regularly, clean toilets with soap and paper towels, decent staff and service, decent beer at $1 or thereabouts, good food.

Larry's, for example, ticks all those boxes, many others come close enough such as Cadillac which has 75c beer too. Both have a regular clientele as a result.

Cadillac loses money because you can't profitably tick all those boxes when selling 75 cent beer.
^This.
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Re: Mr Butterfly 136

Post by Doc67 » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:03 am

Cam Nivag wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:39 am
Doc67 wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:47 am


Air Con inside that makes a difference, fans that make a difference both indoors and outdoors, clean comfortable seating (not broken plastic seats on rusty metals frames with rusty sharp bits just waiting to gouge you and/or rip your clothing), a bar area that gets cleaned regularly, clean toilets with soap and paper towels, decent staff and service, decent beer at $1 or thereabouts, good food.

Larry's, for example, ticks all those boxes, many others come close enough such as Cadillac which has 75c beer too. Both have a regular clientele as a result.

Cadillac loses money because you can't profitably tick all those boxes when selling 75 cent beer.
I am regularly told this bar or that bar "loses money". I am not surprised that 75c is insufficient to generate a net profit unless they are extremely busy. I heard that beer costs about 40c (correct me if I am wrong) so the margins are thin but not unworkable if you sell enough of the stuff, i.e. a lot.

I was in Cadillac the other day and they are doing more renovation works on the right hand side of the place. Maybe this is funded by (yet more) capital expenditure rather than profits. It begs the question of when do you stop investing and start to demand a return on your investment?

I think many have become trapped with high levels of capex and their profit and loss still showing losses despite all their efforts. It must be soul destroying...
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Re: Mr Butterfly 136

Post by The Last Word » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:37 am

Doc67 wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:47 am
The Last Word wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:09 am
Doc67 wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:40 am
No loss really, it's a dump.
and i wonder whats not a dump for you?
Air Con inside that makes a difference, fans that make a difference both indoors and outdoors, clean comfortable seating (not broken plastic seats on rusty metals frames with rusty sharp bits just waiting to gouge you and/or rip your clothing), a bar area that gets cleaned regularly, clean toilets with soap and paper towels, decent staff and service, decent beer at $1 or thereabouts, good food.

Larry's, for example, ticks all those boxes, many others come close enough such as Cadillac which has 75c beer too. Both have a regular clientele as a result.

Mr Butterfly fails all those tests, hence my giving it the "dump" rating. Good riddance to it...

Many of the outdoor bars on 136 fail most of those tests too. They are in a prime position and most are a fucking disgrace to the city. Mr Butterfly will not be the last of them to close.
Cadillac ex Manhattan hardly makes if not any money hence it has changed owners how many times in the last couple of years. I'll rather make some money in a hole rather then burning a hole in my pocket.
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Re: Mr Butterfly 136

Post by fax » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:22 pm

Have you been to Larry's this year? It must be at an all time low because it's empty. I feel like everyone drifted away but I don't know to where.
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Re: Mr Butterfly 136

Post by pczz » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:41 pm

Doc67 wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:47 am
The Last Word wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:09 am
Doc67 wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:40 am
No loss really, it's a dump.
and i wonder whats not a dump for you?
Air Con inside that makes a difference, fans that make a difference both indoors and outdoors, clean comfortable seating (not broken plastic seats on rusty metals frames with rusty sharp bits just waiting to gouge you and/or rip your clothing), a bar area that gets cleaned regularly, clean toilets with soap and paper towels, decent staff and service, decent beer at $1 or thereabouts, good food.

Larry's, for example, ticks all those boxes, many others come close enough such as Cadillac which has 75c beer too. Both have a regular clientele as a result.

Mr Butterfly fails all those tests, hence my giving it the "dump" rating. Good riddance to it...

Many of the outdoor bars on 136 fail most of those tests too. They are in a prime position and most are a fucking disgrace to the city. Mr Butterfly will not be the last of them to close.
larries is a restaurant with a few girls. Butterfly is a lady bar.
Sexpats who come to asia to take advantage of cheap sex provided by poor people do not deserve any luxuries. they should justy go to public housing projects in their own country and take advantage of poor people from their own country instead
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Re: Mr Butterfly 136

Post by Paulo » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:49 pm

I rolled past the 51 complex today. Big dreams but few customers, and sadly the high season is over. Maybe Mr. B couldn't face another low season. Who can blame him; Riverside looked like a ghost town last low season.
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