10 BOGUS excuses people use for stealing photos
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Not beating a dead horse so please no comments on this aspect of my post
I think many of us that do photograph, Do not get necessarily verbal consent to take a street portrait, BUT when i point my camera at someone and they smile back at me, i take that as consensual consent> Would you not agree?
If they turn away i also take that as NO< you cant take my photo and I walk on
Herse some interesting comments from photographers.
"Ron Haviv: It is a situation by situation decision regarding permission. In the United States, if you and your subject are in public, there is no legal requirement for permission. If you are on or in someone’s personal property, permission is needed. In many cases, if I point a camera towards someone, and there is no negative reaction, I feel fine in taking the image. If they say no, verbally or otherwise, I respect their choice. If, however, there is a crime, violent act, or people are there for the purpose of being photographed, I will take the image."
http://www.featureshoot.com/2015/07/we- ... hotograph/
I was once driving thru northern Thailand and came across a funeral procession, stopped my car and got out with my camera, a guy came up and asked me what i was doing and told him i wanted to photograph he was the deceased son and invited me along. It was great.
I think many of us that do photograph, Do not get necessarily verbal consent to take a street portrait, BUT when i point my camera at someone and they smile back at me, i take that as consensual consent> Would you not agree?
If they turn away i also take that as NO< you cant take my photo and I walk on
Herse some interesting comments from photographers.
"Ron Haviv: It is a situation by situation decision regarding permission. In the United States, if you and your subject are in public, there is no legal requirement for permission. If you are on or in someone’s personal property, permission is needed. In many cases, if I point a camera towards someone, and there is no negative reaction, I feel fine in taking the image. If they say no, verbally or otherwise, I respect their choice. If, however, there is a crime, violent act, or people are there for the purpose of being photographed, I will take the image."
http://www.featureshoot.com/2015/07/we- ... hotograph/
I was once driving thru northern Thailand and came across a funeral procession, stopped my car and got out with my camera, a guy came up and asked me what i was doing and told him i wanted to photograph he was the deceased son and invited me along. It was great.
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No, Richard, don't evade the question. It's very relevant, because you're the guy who's moralising here.phuketrichard wrote:has ANYBODY?General Mackevili wrote:But have you received permission from EVERYONE you have photographed?phuketrichard wrote:if ur referring to me ,
I have NEVER photographed anyone EVER that asked me not to
Shoot first...
Either do it the way you preach everyone else should, or piss off.
Seriously tiresome, if someone nicked your photos and made money from them, I agree with you.
Anything else, that's life.
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NO.phuketrichard wrote:I think many of us that do photograph, Do not get necessarily verbal consent to take a street portrait, BUT when i point my camera at someone and they smile back at me, i take that as consensual consent> Would you not agree?
By the same reasoning, do you think every Asian woman who smiles at you wants to go to bed with you?
Stop lying to yourself to justify your actions. This is Asia, people smile when they're embarrassed, nervous, angry, humiliated, etc.
I know you know this.
People use your photos, you use people. End of.
You bin listening to dem Hollywood schmucks too much.
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Is this legally true in Cambodia?TheGrinchSR wrote:Note: With relatively few exceptions, photographers have a legal right to photograph in any public space. They only usually need permission if they want to commercially exploit someone's image (though for groups - this is often not true either).
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100% legally true in Cambodia. Actually, Cambodia doesn't yet have laws regarding commercial exploitation of images... so you can shoot and publish without permission. Though, I'd say that was a pretty shitty thing to do. However, I see nothing wrong with a street photographer taking images without permission - I see plenty wrong with publishing them for commercial exploitation without permission.vladimir wrote:Is this legally true in Cambodia?TheGrinchSR wrote:Note: With relatively few exceptions, photographers have a legal right to photograph in any public space. They only usually need permission if they want to commercially exploit someone's image (though for groups - this is often not true either).
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Point one;
Legal law in the US,
Point 3
Do some research Vlad about street photography an what it is ( and look at some of the great ones) rather than just trying to provoke an argument, sometimes i seriously wonder about you.
Point 4
As to Cambodia i seriously doubt there is any law that gives u right to privacy, especially in a public place
Point 5
most publications, except news related, will not accept photographs without a signed release
Here is a link to my photographs from King Norodom Sihanouk Funeral
http://www.reitman-photo.com/p992881314
are u saying i should have asked everyone that appears in the photographs for permission??
Legal law in the US,
Point 2;"if you and your subject are in public, there is no legal requirement for permission. If you are on or in someone’s personal property, permission is needed".
WTF, what does that have to do with taking photographs? if someone sees me with a camera and they DONT turn away they are non verbally communicating to me its ok. I am not lying to anyone especially myself, did u even bother to read the link i posted?> I doubt it, some agree with you, some dont."By the same reasoning, do you think every Asian woman who smiles at you wants to go to bed with you?"
Point 3
Do some research Vlad about street photography an what it is ( and look at some of the great ones) rather than just trying to provoke an argument, sometimes i seriously wonder about you.
Point 4
As to Cambodia i seriously doubt there is any law that gives u right to privacy, especially in a public place
Point 5
most publications, except news related, will not accept photographs without a signed release
Here is a link to my photographs from King Norodom Sihanouk Funeral
http://www.reitman-photo.com/p992881314
are u saying i should have asked everyone that appears in the photographs for permission??
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Grinch, that's my point. in America, people pay models/ extras if they're shooting commercially.TheGrinchSR wrote:100% legally true in Cambodia. Actually, Cambodia doesn't yet have laws regarding commercial exploitation of images... so you can shoot and publish without permission. Though, I'd say that was a pretty shitty thing to do. However, I see nothing wrong with a street photographer taking images without permission - I see plenty wrong with publishing them for commercial exploitation without permission.vladimir wrote:Is this legally true in Cambodia?TheGrinchSR wrote:Note: With relatively few exceptions, photographers have a legal right to photograph in any public space. They only usually need permission if they want to commercially exploit someone's image (though for groups - this is often not true either).
Seems some people want the 'models' to work for free, even unknowingly, and they reap all the rewards, but Dog help you if you copy the picture.
Richard, weren't you the guy that suggested if someone isn't willing to pay a cop a $5 bribe/illegal fine he should think twice about staying?
By the same token, if you're not prepared to pay your models, maybe you should do the same.
It sounds like a similar situational logic to me.
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you keep changing the point first it was piracy, now its payment.
i am NOT shooting models an when i was and required a signed release for publication they were paid
u really dont know what ur talking about in regards to this
again what does what i said about something, that has NOTHING to do with photography, have to do with this?
i am NOT shooting models an when i was and required a signed release for publication they were paid
u really dont know what ur talking about in regards to this
again what does what i said about something, that has NOTHING to do with photography, have to do with this?
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Richard, this issue is about money. That's what copyright is based on. You travel around, take pictures of people you ASSUME give informed consent, and then profit from the photos, yes.
You are seeking validation/approval of what you do: I'm not going to give it.
Your half-arsed attempt to discredit me by saying I know nothing of street photography is ridiculous. Most posters on here are in the same boat. We are not discussing the technical aspect, we are discussing the ethics of copyright, a western ideal with roots only in financial benefit, in an oriental country.
You're not shooting models because that would cost money...the plebs are too ignorant of the law to ask for payment, but you profit from that. That's fine, go ahead, but please don't try and whitewash it and put guilt on others.
My point about women smiling is that in Asia people smile for different reasons, not the same as in the west. You know that, but you chose to try and deflect the point. Why? No lawyer would ever try and postulate that a smile equals consent, even in America, seriously, what a feeble joke/attempt to justify/legalise the photo.
ASK them, Richard, ASK them.
When did this strong desire to see the law enforced arise...when your pocket started being affected, right? And after you've had your flings with hookers and hard drugs, right?
Laughable, really.
You are seeking validation/approval of what you do: I'm not going to give it.
Your half-arsed attempt to discredit me by saying I know nothing of street photography is ridiculous. Most posters on here are in the same boat. We are not discussing the technical aspect, we are discussing the ethics of copyright, a western ideal with roots only in financial benefit, in an oriental country.
You're not shooting models because that would cost money...the plebs are too ignorant of the law to ask for payment, but you profit from that. That's fine, go ahead, but please don't try and whitewash it and put guilt on others.
My point about women smiling is that in Asia people smile for different reasons, not the same as in the west. You know that, but you chose to try and deflect the point. Why? No lawyer would ever try and postulate that a smile equals consent, even in America, seriously, what a feeble joke/attempt to justify/legalise the photo.
ASK them, Richard, ASK them.
When did this strong desire to see the law enforced arise...when your pocket started being affected, right? And after you've had your flings with hookers and hard drugs, right?
Laughable, really.
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