A country that pays 17 lawyers for you to defend yourself sounds fair.

OrangeDragon wrote:"An obese grandfather selling Lucy's on the street does NOT deserve to be choked to death. Full Stop. "
Again... he wasn't choked to death. See how you're manipulating the situation there? He was still alive when the choking, if there was even choking, stopped. Watch the video... 11 seconds. No one is choked to death in 11 seconds unless some injury to the throat/neck has occurred, which the ME said had not. More than likely he suffocated from being pinned prone with so much body-weight and his medical complications. Also, he wasn't restrained for selling Lucky's on the street. For that he was going to be arrested. He was restrained for resisting that arrest.

You keep painting a false narrative to sell your point... and it's just not what went down.

There is no false narrative --- unless you truly want us to believe that that being put in an illegal choke-hold, violently slammed to the ground, have someone on top of him continuously choke him while he gasped for air, and as he said "I cannot breathe" eleven times before dying ------ somehow did not contribute to his death and that it was "his fault" for being obese. Seriously, you want us to believe that?

Also, talking about False narratives, he was not "restrained" as he was not acting aggressively or menacingly, He was attacked by a pit-bull wearing a badge, and choked out.

Cheers,

RD

11 seconds.

OrangeDragon wrote:11 seconds.

The choke-hold itself (illegal and banned by NYPD for use) was actually timed at 15 second

Apparently you never read the link from the wikipedia entry I posted earlier, so I will post the contents here --- and the evidence is irrefutable:

NYPD officers approached Garner on suspicion of selling "loosies" (single cigarettes) from packs without tax stamps. After Garner told the police that he was tired of being harassed and that he was not selling cigarettes, the officers went to arrest Garner.[15] When officer Daniel Pantaleo took Garner's wrist behind his back, Garner swatted his arms away.[16] Pantaleo then put his arm around Garner's neck and pulled him backwards and down onto the ground.[17] After Pantaleo removed his arm from Garner's neck, he pushed Garner's face into the ground[18][19] while four officers moved to restrain Garner, who repeated "I can't breathe" eleven times while lying facedown on the sidewalk.[7][20][21] After Garner lost consciousness, officers turned him onto his side to ease his breathing.[22] Garner remained lying on the sidewalk for seven minutes while the officers waited for an ambulance to arrive.[23] The officers and EMTs did not perform CPR on Garner at the scene; according to a spokesman for the PBA, this was because they believed that Garner was breathing and that it would be improper to perform CPR on someone who was still breathing.[24][25] He was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital approximately one hour later.[26][27]

Medical examiners concluded that Garner was killed by "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police",[1][2][28] though no damage to his windpipe or neck bones was found.[29] The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide. According to the medical examiner's definition, a homicide is a death caused by the intentional actions of another person or persons, which is not necessarily an intentional death or a criminal death.[30]

I love how you, yourself, underline 3 things... then give credit to only one of them (the ones that sounds so nasty and vicious, but only lasted [apparently] 15 seconds) as the cause of death, then the ME... as you underlined... accredited it to 3 things.

You also chose to ignore the "no damage to his windpipe or neck bones was found" part that indicates that, since 15 seconds without airflow isn't enough to kill anyone, it was likely not him being, as you said earlier, "choked to death".

If you can't breathe, you can't tell anyone you can't breathe. Voices work by forcing air (from breath) over the vocal chords.

You brought up the swedish police earlier... did you notice that a) the video starts after the people have been taken down and doesn't show what takedown they used, and b) that one of the individual used the very same "i can't breathe" excuse? Did you notice the guy on top of him didn't move or loosen his hold? know why? it's a bullshit excuse criminals regularly use to try and get free.... despite how that may conflict with your internal narrative.

http://www.longislandpress.com/2015/05/ ... ports-say/

got stop and frisk?

Perhaps you should give this article a read... includes some information the ones sourced by wiki, thus wiki, leaves out:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ic-garner/

Particularly this bit...

The autopsy from the medical examiner attributed his death to homicide – meaning death at the hands of another party, not murder, in medical parlance – and stated that he died thanks to “Compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” But the autopsy further noted that Garner died thanks to acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity, and heart disease.

And this one...

Thanks to the video showing Garner stating that he cannot breathe, many pundits have wrongly suggested that Pantaleo was “choking” Garner by depriving him of air from his windpipe. Bratton himself suggested that Pantaleo used a “chokehold,” which is defined by the NYPD as “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.”

That does not appear to have been the case. Garner did not die of asphyxiation, as the head of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association noted at the time. The preliminary autopsy showed no damage to Garner’s windpipe or neck bones.

So what was Pantaleo doing? He was applying a submission hold, which is not barred by the NYPD, and is designed to deprive the brain of oxygen by stopping blood flow through the arteries. So say the experts on submission holds.

It appears that the so-called chokehold was instrumental in triggering Garner’s pre-existing health problems and causing his death, but Garner was not choked to death, as the media [and you] seems to maintain.

The Add Jay wrote:http://www.longislandpress.com/2015/05/ ... ports-say/

got stop and frisk?

if only criminals were more empathetic.

O.D why must you carry on in such a fashion? They killed that guy...straight up. How they got away with it is very disappointing. On the flip side...how many kids does he have? and hes selling cigarettes? LMFAO

Lets also address why are police actions in the MSM so much? where is all this going?

That guy killed himself by resisting arrest when he knew he was in no shape to fight a group of cops. They did what cops always do, regardless of race/size/etc, when someone resists arrest... they subdued him. In the process it was too much for his 400lb McDonalds heart and he died. Tragic, but nothing more or less than anyone would expect when a guy that size and in that health condition decides the laws don't apply to him and he only has to be arrested if he feels like it.

I get that you guys get a hard on for cops being the villains... but in this case they were pretty much by the book on what they did.