Second hand scooter: main criteria?

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Soriya wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:11 pm Regards ownership i believe until the end ofseptember you can go change a registration card into your name, there was an article in khmer times about it, i havent done so yet, but will look into it soon.
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khmerhamster wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:57 pm
Soriya wrote:
AndyKK wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:49 pm
Soriya wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:11 pm Just seen this topic, i tried everywhere i could think off for 3rd party insurance and theft and had no luck.
Im near on the same size described by the op, i drive a 2018 airblade and it suits me fine sizewise.
Regards ownership i believe until the end ofseptember you can go change a registration card into your name, there was an article in khmer times about it, i havent done so yet, but will look into it soon.
I think it means a Khmer can take this option, due to a foreigner by the law can't register a second hand motorcycle in their name.
A guy i know, european had a bike in a girls name, he was told by honda it was possible as long as the owner was contactable.
I went with him to the sangkat in sensok,where he was told to go by honda, with some paperwork they gave him, they wanted 500 bucks so he refused
He was asked for 500 by who? A fixer outside? I find it hard to believe that the ministry is asking for that amount - they have always seemed fair(ish) to me. It costs less than 100 (i think 60-70 to get a reg card in a foreign name. Unless he didn't have any of the required docs with him.
We went to a place in pochentong just past suvarnaphum school on russian boulevard, pretty much opposite airport, they moaned, made fone calls, said it was hard but for 500 bucks they would do it without owner prrsent, even tho they spoke to her on fone. She was in pursat so not local. Im not sure if they are cops in there, but it is where we went to get a letter after losing a wallet for embassy and insurance purposes, again that was meant to be free, but we had to pay 25 bucks and was told not to tell anyone we paid.
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Soriya wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:51 pm
AndyKK wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:49 pm
Soriya wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:11 pm Just seen this topic, i tried everywhere i could think off for 3rd party insurance and theft and had no luck.
Im near on the same size described by the op, i drive a 2018 airblade and it suits me fine sizewise.
Regards ownership i believe until the end ofseptember you can go change a registration card into your name, there was an article in khmer times about it, i havent done so yet, but will look into it soon.
I think it means a Khmer can take this option, due to a foreigner by the law can't register a second hand motorcycle in their name.
A guy i know, european had a bike in a girls name, he was told by honda it was possible as long as the owner was contactable.
I went with him to the sangkat in sensok,where he was told to go by honda, with some paperwork they gave him, they wanted 500 bucks so he refused
Soriya look at the Cambodian motorcycle groups on facebook, I have read on there that it is possible to get insurance in the city, and they pay out too. Apologises for not finding the link.
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AndyKK wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:08 pm
Soriya wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:51 pm
AndyKK wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:49 pm
Soriya wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:11 pm Just seen this topic, i tried everywhere i could think off for 3rd party insurance and theft and had no luck.
Im near on the same size described by the op, i drive a 2018 airblade and it suits me fine sizewise.
Regards ownership i believe until the end ofseptember you can go change a registration card into your name, there was an article in khmer times about it, i havent done so yet, but will look into it soon.
I think it means a Khmer can take this option, due to a foreigner by the law can't register a second hand motorcycle in their name.
A guy i know, european had a bike in a girls name, he was told by honda it was possible as long as the owner was contactable.
I went with him to the sangkat in sensok,where he was told to go by honda, with some paperwork they gave him, they wanted 500 bucks so he refused
Soriya look at the Cambodian motorcycle groups on facebook, I have read on there that it is possible to get insurance in the city, and they pay out too. Apologises for not finding the link.
Will do, thxs, i still havent got insurance but want it, having had a bike stolen previously
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Kuroneko wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:25 am
Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:04 am To be honest, I think your budget is too high. $600-800 is all that's needed for a daily driver. A brand new bike is $1200, so not sure why you're willing to splurge so much. Either buy a new Wave 110 for $1200, or a used bike for $800.
The same price will get you a Yamaha 110cc with a disc brake (the Wave has drums). New, with warranty, in your own name.

Exactly You can buy a Yamaha Spark 115cc with fuel injection for about $1200 and they do all the registration, plates etc for you.
I note this as an interesting option. Alternatives could be Honda Wave or Dream. My main concern is the size as I'm tall and my gf as well. I think I'm gonna sit on the bike and see how I feel.

About auto or semi auto: I don't really mind as I'm used to big bikes so changing gears is not an issue.

Regarding possibility to buy a cheaper bike, it's good to save money of course but I don't really see a big difference as I will re-sell it in one or two years anyway. The loss of value in one year for a used bike worth $2,000 now is probably "comparable" to the loss of value of a bike which current price is 1,200. At the end, the cost is similar, except that: cash is blocked for the time being, buying a new bike has clear pros (warranty etc.) and I still need confirmation from insurance company that they can insure me (if not possible, I'll go for cheapest option).
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khmerhamster wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:35 pm
explorer wrote:
clutchcargo wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:19 pm do any members know whether the asking prices at used moto dealerships are very negotiable?
I suggest negotiate, to get the best price you can. But the dealer needs to make a profit, and he probably wont tell you how much he paid for the bike. But he wont go to a price where he does not make a reasonable profit.

I suggest, go with bikes that are well priced to start with. If the starting price is too high, you will be wasting your time.
This is some of the best advice i have ever read.
Except that it's a sweeping generalisation that I know already and doesn't get at the heart of my question which was:
Wondering how much % movement there can be on the price.
But no sweat, as I suspect english may not be his first language and hence may not have picked up on the nuance of my point or hasn't had much experience buying used motos at used moto dealerships..

As I said originally, I found new moto dealerships don't move on price much..it's pretty much fixed..so I'm wondering is it the same or not with used moto dealers? For example, are they generally open to 10, 20 or 30% discounts? I realise it may be a generalisation and probably varies but nevertheless I though I'd ask in case people with experience say, no, they are like new moto dealers and prices are pretty fixed.

Put another way, if say a dealer has a used moto listed as $3750 and one was to offer say, $3250 is that clearly out of the ballpark or not? I realise the only way is to ask but I've found from personal experience previously that sometimes khmers spit the dummy if they feel you're making what they think is a too low ball offer. And that could affect any further negotiation if they don't want to deal with you anymore.. The other issue is the moto in question is quite unique here so it's difficult to assess proper value given there's not much to compare with.
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That $1200 second hand moto was $2000 new. You’ll lose $500 on it but new you’ll lose $800.

No moto is suitable for a westerner. You’ll look like a gangly pastey fool on all compared to a “big bike”, big as in 600cc and up.
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clutchcargo wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:32 pm
khmerhamster wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:35 pm
explorer wrote:
clutchcargo wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:19 pm do any members know whether the asking prices at used moto dealerships are very negotiable?
I suggest negotiate, to get the best price you can. But the dealer needs to make a profit, and he probably wont tell you how much he paid for the bike. But he wont go to a price where he does not make a reasonable profit.

I suggest, go with bikes that are well priced to start with. If the starting price is too high, you will be wasting your time.
This is some of the best advice i have ever read.
Except that it's a sweeping generalisation that I know already and doesn't get at the heart of my question which was:
Wondering how much % movement there can be on the price.
But no sweat, as I suspect english may not be his first language and hence may not have picked up on the nuance of my point or hasn't had much experience buying used motos at used moto dealerships..

As I said originally, I found new moto dealerships don't move on price much..it's pretty much fixed..so I'm wondering is it the same or not with used moto dealers? For example, are they generally open to 10, 20 or 30% discounts? I realise it may be a generalisation and probably varies but nevertheless I though I'd ask in case people with experience say, no, they are like new moto dealers and prices are pretty fixed.

Put another way, if say a dealer has a used moto listed as $3750 and one was to offer say, $3250 is that clearly out of the ballpark or not? I realise the only way is to ask but I've found from personal experience previously that sometimes khmers spit the dummy if they feel you're making what they think is a too low ball offer. And that could affect any further negotiation if they don't want to deal with you anymore.. The other issue is the moto in question is quite unique here so it's difficult to assess proper value given there's not much to compare with.
I have read somewhere in Khmer culture, being the first sale of the day is good luck for the shop, and likewise for the customer getting the best disscount. On the buying of a motorcycle, I agree with you on the above, if you are too negotiate on price, the offer from the sales person after your proposing offer is usually final, anymore seems to send them away from the sale like you have offered them. It's usual when you buy a bike the shop will give you a free helmet, or even two cheaper open-face ones. When talking price discounts in money terms, personally I have found a discount of $20 to $50 per $1000 you spend.
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clutchcargo wrote:
khmerhamster wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:35 pm
explorer wrote:
clutchcargo wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:19 pm do any members know whether the asking prices at used moto dealerships are very negotiable?
I suggest negotiate, to get the best price you can. But the dealer needs to make a profit, and he probably wont tell you how much he paid for the bike. But he wont go to a price where he does not make a reasonable profit.

I suggest, go with bikes that are well priced to start with. If the starting price is too high, you will be wasting your time.
This is some of the best advice i have ever read.
Except that it's a sweeping generalisation that I know already and doesn't get at the heart of my question which was:
Wondering how much % movement there can be on the price.
But no sweat, as I suspect english may not be his first language and hence may not have picked up on the nuance of my point or hasn't had much experience buying used motos at used moto dealerships..

As I said originally, I found new moto dealerships don't move on price much..it's pretty much fixed..so I'm wondering is it the same or not with used moto dealers? For example, are they generally open to 10, 20 or 30% discounts? I realise it may be a generalisation and probably varies but nevertheless I though I'd ask in case people with experience say, no, they are like new moto dealers and prices are pretty fixed.

Put another way, if say a dealer has a used moto listed as $3750 and one was to offer say, $3250 is that clearly out of the ballpark or not? I realise the only way is to ask but I've found from personal experience previously that sometimes khmers spit the dummy if they feel you're making what they think is a too low ball offer. And that could affect any further negotiation if they don't want to deal with you anymore.. The other issue is the moto in question is quite unique here so it's difficult to assess proper value given there's not much to compare with.
I know.
My sarcasm was perhaps too subtle.
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Wasn’t to most.
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