Khmer language: beginners' questions

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Re: Khmer language: beginners' questions

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joel means enter

jet means heart

joel jet means enter heart, which means like.
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explorer wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:05 am Different types of noodles also have different words.

Instant noodles are called mee.

You can ask where you are buying the noodles, what they call them.
I thought mi was egg noodles (yellow, made from wheat?) and instant noodles were mei? And the yellow "macaroni-like" were nuy?
But I am not sure.

There is also supposed to be a difference between the rice noodles used in guidiao and in nombenjok. But they taste pretty similar to me.
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explorer wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:52 pm
kps wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:43 pm When I want to know what meat is available, I was taught:
mean mahop sach ei class
"What meat so you have?"

What means class?
mian mhoep suj ai klu(s)

mian means have

mhoep means food

suj means meat

ai means what

klu(s) means some

It can be said many ways.

I would probably say:

mian suj ai

or

mian suj awai

Which is: have meat what?
mean mahop sach ei class = What meats do you have?

explorer you have to be careful how you break down sentences into individual words and please Latinize your Khmer in a more readable fashion as you still writing 'u' for an 'a' and ending words with a 'j' is just wrong, you might be able to read it but beginners wont and will just confuse

Mean = To have
M'hoob = Food
Sach/Saik = Meat
Ey Klah = What (Things)

the Klah serves as a Plural Context marker, when you say "Ey Klah" it makes what youre talking about a plural, and because you are not asking what meat it is, you are asking what variety of meats (things) that they have, so instead of saying "Mean Saik Ey?" = "What meat do you have?" you say "Mean (M'hoob) Saik Ey Klas" = "What meats do you have?"

another example which might make it clearer is "Naa Klah"
Naa = Where/Which
Klah = Some
but "Naa Klah" again works as a plural context marker, eg.
Sia Pov/Pow Naa La'or Merl - Which book is good to read?
Sia Pov/Pow Naa Klah La'or Merl - Which books are good to read?

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I think our difference in spelling is at least partly due to me having an Australian accent, and you having a British accent. There are probably some words we pronounce the same but spell differently.

Probably, an Australian would pronounce it better following my spelling, and someone from England may pronounce it better using your spelling.

That is why I have said many times in the past: Ask a Cambodian for the pronunciation.

Just one question.

With this:

Klah = Some

is the h silent? If it is I would leave it out.

I notice in some places you write Klas.

I am not trying to win. Just share ideas. I am sure, if you look through my posts, you will find places where I have spelt words differently.

In most cases, neither of us are wrong. We are just presenting a different perspective.
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kps wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:21 am
explorer wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:05 am Different types of noodles also have different words.

Instant noodles are called mee.

You can ask where you are buying the noodles, what they call them.
I thought mi was egg noodles (yellow, made from wheat?) and instant noodles were mei? And the yellow "macaroni-like" were nuy?
But I am not sure.

There is also supposed to be a difference between the rice noodles used in guidiao and in nombenjok. But they taste pretty similar to me.
Mii is used for both Egg Noodles and instant noodles...
Mii means Noodle,
Mii Kanhjap - Packet Noodles,
Mii Chha - Fried Noodles,
Mii Sup - Noodle Soup,
Mii Sua - Thin Noodles,
Mii Ka Tang - Flat Noodles,
the main noodles that have a different name are the "Lort Chha" Noodles which look like this...
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explorer wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:56 am Jamie

I think our difference in spelling is at least partly due to me having an Australian accent, and you having a British accent. There are probably some words we pronounce the same but spell differently.

Probably, an Australian would pronounce it better following my spelling, and someone from England may pronounce it better using your spelling.

That is why I have said many times in the past: Ask a Cambodian for the pronunciation.

Just one question.

With this:

Klah = Some

is the h silent? If it is I would leave it out.

I notice in some places you write Klas.

I am not trying to win. Just share ideas. I am sure, if you look through my posts, you will find places where I have spelt words differently.

In most cases, neither of us are wrong. We are just presenting a different perspective.
yes, and you are writing with your accent when you shouldnt, you are writing in Latin Script not Ozzy Accent Script

Some, is pronounced Klah, it has the open 'h' sounding vowel, because the word ends in a vowel it has an open sound, it only sounds silent to you because it is following the joining A sound as in - Ah, if it is following a different sound it is much more noticeable, like in the word heart - Behdoung, its following the E vowel so you get the Eh sound


i usually write the vowel with an 'S' because that is how Khmers spell it, because when the S consonant is the final consonant it becomes a 'H' so the Khmers write the H sound with an S, like the word for heart, they write Besdong
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If people use the French spelling of Cambodian, and pronounce it that way, they will pronounce many words so badly that Cambodians wont understand them.

There are a lot of Australians in Cambodia, who can benefit from my examples.

I always recommend they ask Cambodians for pronunciation.
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explorer wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:31 am If people use the French spelling of Cambodian, and pronounce it that way, they will pronounce many words so badly that Cambodians wont understand them.

There are a lot of Australians in Cambodia, who can benefit from my examples.

I always recommend they ask Cambodians for pronunciation.
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Jamie_Lambo wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:39 am but "Naa Klah" again works as a plural context marker, eg.
Sia Pov/Pow Naa La'or Merl - Which book is good to read?
Sia Pov/Pow Naa Klah La'or Merl - Which books are good to read?
Thanks everyone for helping out.
In my dictionaries the word for reading is "an" but here another word is used for reading a book. I guess it is "merl"-(to see/look) with a prefix (la'or) I have not met before?

Edit. Skip this question. I just misread the phonetic for "good - la'or". The sentence is clear to me.

Of course. The lack of a standard phonetic is a challenge in Khmer, maybe the biggest. I seldom try a word that I haven't heard in Google or from a local. Still often problems getting understood, but improving, slowly. A phonetic can even help memorizing. You can "see" the phonetic in your mind. I will try to sharpen my ears instead. Good challenge.
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Jamie_Lambo wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:11 am Mii is used for both Egg Noodles and instant noodles...
Mii means Noodle,
Mii Kanhjap - Packet Noodles,
Mii Chha - Fried Noodles,
Mii Sup - Noodle Soup,
Mii Sua - Thin Noodles,
Mii Ka Tang - Flat Noodles,
the main noodles that have a different name are the "Lort Chha" Noodles which look like this...
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When they seem to ask what kind of noodles, I reply "saitom" for the narrow bandshaped and "benkan" for the wider. But I am not sure it is right.

There often seems to be several words for the same thing.
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