First-hand account of the KR times from foreign pro-KR reporter

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Re: First-hand account of the KR times from foreign pro-KR reporter

Post by John Bingham » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:40 am

juansweetpotato wrote: In Vietnam a small Chinese contingent was sent down to help with the crossover, but they started pulling the same shit as they did in China and Ho managed to curb most of the excesses and send them packing. All with his usual aplomb. They did re-educate a lot though, but in the end they just thought it better to let them leave on their own accord. Get rid of them so to speak. Now they are flooding back to make money and pricing their poorer countrymen out of the market of course. Viet Q.
I'm not sure what you are referring to there? Re-unification? You do realize that Ho Ch Minh died in 1969?
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Re: First-hand account of the KR times from foreign pro-KR reporter

Post by phuketrichard » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:49 am

I hate the idea of communism because it has in practice ALWAYS resulted in mass murder of dissenters
???

just wondering,
Cuba
i dont recall any mass murders there .

a good huffington post read;
Fidel Castro is beloved by many for winning Cuba’s independence from the dictatorship of Batista, and loathed by many for keeping the country out of the global economic and political mainstream. Visiting Americans who may be inclined to criticize Cuban policies compare the economy and civil liberties to their reality in the USA, and find it horrible. Others compare the economic reality of workers here to workers anywhere else in Latin America, and find it roughly the same (from a material wealth point of view) — and note Cuba’s comparative advantage in health care, education, stability, and safety. When it comes to crime, drugs, and gang-related violence, communist Cuba is far safer than capitalist Latin American countries. But this is not a democracy, and being a dissident here can land you in jail. While other countries have their economic elites in business, Cuba has its economic elites in high government posts..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-stev ... 63806.html
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Re: First-hand account of the KR times from foreign pro-KR reporter

Post by juansweetpotato » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:32 am

John Bingham wrote:
juansweetpotato wrote: In Vietnam a small Chinese contingent was sent down to help with the crossover, but they started pulling the same shit as they did in China and Ho managed to curb most of the excesses and send them packing. All with his usual aplomb.

Later on, they did re-educate a lot though, but in the end they just thought it better to let them leave on their own accord. Get rid of them so to speak. Now they are flooding back to make money and pricing their poorer countrymen out of the market of course. Viet Q.
I'm not sure what you are referring to there? Re-unification? You do realize that Ho Ch Minh died in 1969?
I think I shouldn't post when I'm overly tired. Yes, I jump all over the place in that post. I just edited it here to try an make more sense. Of course Uncle Ho was dead by the time of the boat people. He was also very much marginalized in his later years by younger upcoming figures. I'm sure if it weren't for needing to waste his energies on getting rid of the French, Vietnam may have been quite an example of what a good leader can do in SE Asia. He was no gangster.

Overall, I was just trying to give an example of how Cambodian and Vietnamese communism weren't much alike.
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Re: First-hand account of the KR times from foreign pro-KR reporter

Post by juansweetpotato » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:18 am

phuketrichard wrote:
I hate the idea of communism because it has in practice ALWAYS resulted in mass murder of dissenters
???

just wondering,
Cuba
i dont recall any mass murders there .

a good huffington post read;
Fidel Castro is beloved by many for winning Cuba’s independence from the dictatorship of Batista, and loathed by many for keeping the country out of the global economic and political mainstream. Visiting Americans who may be inclined to criticize Cuban policies compare the economy and civil liberties to their reality in the USA, and find it horrible. Others compare the economic reality of workers here to workers anywhere else in Latin America, and find it roughly the same (from a material wealth point of view) — and note Cuba’s comparative advantage in health care, education, stability, and safety. When it comes to crime, drugs, and gang-related violence, communist Cuba is far safer than capitalist Latin American countries. But this is not a democracy, and being a dissident here can land you in jail. While other countries have their economic elites in business, Cuba has its economic elites in high government posts..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-stev ... 63806.html
A good example. Also it should remind us all one the reasons communism never got a chance. The US imposed economic sanctions to try and bring the government down. Except for cigars, which they got the British to purchase first so as to launder them. :thumb:
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Post by John Bingham » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:58 am

There were thousands of executions in Cuba during and after the revolution.
Proportionately he was right up there with the big boys. Cuba’s population in 1960 was only 6.5 million. Castro and Che simply couldn’t get their hands on as many victims as Hitler or Stalin. Had Castro gotten his wish (starting a nuclear war) his numbers would probably surpass the big boys. Castro’s lust for nuclear war horrified even the “Butcher of Budapest” (Nikita Khrushchev). “Is he CRAZY?!” gasped Nikita to his son Sergei as Castro kept urging him to push the buttons on Oct. 28 1962. “But that is insane!…Remove them (our missiles) as soon as possible! Before it’s too late. Before something terrible happens!”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/04/autho ... z46L77ESnD

http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=55
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Post by juansweetpotato » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:01 pm

John Bingham wrote:There were thousands of executions in Cuba during and after the revolution.
Proportionately he was right up there with the big boys. Cuba’s population in 1960 was only 6.5 million. Castro and Che simply couldn’t get their hands on as many victims as Hitler or Stalin. Had Castro gotten his wish (starting a nuclear war) his numbers would probably surpass the big boys. Castro’s lust for nuclear war horrified even the “Butcher of Budapest” (Nikita Khrushchev). “Is he CRAZY?!” gasped Nikita to his son Sergei as Castro kept urging him to push the buttons on Oct. 28 1962. “But that is insane!…Remove them (our missiles) as soon as possible! Before it’s too late. Before something terrible happens!”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/04/autho ... z46L77ESnD

http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=55
Lest we forget Playa de los Puercos Bay of Pigs.

I thought Castro wanted the Americans to stand off? That was a Russian/American game. The Russians knew what they were doing when they put strategic nukes a few miles off American shores.

I think if your going to post that, you should also post what America was up to at that time. Also the reasons for the revolution in the first place. It kind of blows the clean Kennedy image out of the water.
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Post by John Bingham » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:15 pm

You're going off topic again. I was talking about executions in Cuba, not the Bay of Pigs fiasco or the history of the US.
Also the reasons for the revolution in the first place. It kind of blows the clean Kennedy image out of the water.
The revolution happened before Kennedy's presidency.
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Post by juansweetpotato » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:23 pm

John Bingham wrote:You're going off topic again. I was talking about executions in Cuba, not the Bay of Pigs fiasco or the history of the US.
Also the reasons for the revolution in the first place. It kind of blows the clean Kennedy image out of the water.
The revolution happened before Kennedy's presidency.
The stand-off didn't though did it? Or the fact that he was in cahoots with the same gangsters.

My asking you for a comparison between the US and Cuba didn't seem to be off topic as we were discussing both Communist AND Capitalist excesses I thought.
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Post by John Bingham » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:47 pm

My asking you for a comparison between the US and Cuba didn't seem to be off topic as we were discussing both Communist AND Capitalist excesses I thought.
How can you compare the US and Cuba? We all know about US excesses, it seems many are in denial about Cuba though.
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Re: First-hand account of the KR times from foreign pro-KR reporter

Post by juansweetpotato » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:12 pm

John Bingham wrote:
My asking you for a comparison between the US and Cuba didn't seem to be off topic as we were discussing both Communist AND Capitalist excesses I thought.
How can you compare the US and Cuba? We all know about US excesses, it seems many are in denial about Cuba though.
Seems like a lot of Americans have forgotten. lol
In response to the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion of 1961, and the presence of American Jupiter ballistic missiles in Italy and Turkey against the USSR with Moscow within range, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev decided to agree to Cuba's request to place nuclear missiles in Cuba to deter future harassment of Cuba. An agreement was reached during a secret meeting between Khrushchev and Fidel Castro in July and construction on a number of missile launch facilities started later that summer.
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