The New International Airport Construction in Siem Reap

armchairlawyer · Post by **armchairlawyer** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:58 pm

rogerrabbit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:33 pm Yep, I don't think google maps takes account the border crossing which can take long time when travelling with group of people in bus. Also traffic etc. can have big impact on journey time. I think if you are lucky and in low traffic just the driving part is about 5,5 hours. Add the usual stops for toilet, eating, border crossing. We are talking 10-12 hours journey times.

Oh and of course flights are never delayed and there are never any queues at BKK immigration. And you are not allowed to time your arrival at the land border to avoid the busier times.

As for all your overegging the pudding on the road travel time delays, I can see I am going to have to challenge you guys to a road v air race from SR to BKK and vice versa.

I have crossed the land border at Hat Lek/Koh Kong four times this year and have not waited more than five minutes.

Alex · Post by **Alex** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:59 pm

armchairlawyer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:58 pm I have crossed the land border at Hat Lek/Koh Kong four times this year and have not waited more than five minutes.

I use that land border quite sometimes, too, but not to save time on a trip from Phnom Penh to Bangkok, because flying is obviously much quicker.

Five minutes at the border, BUT the road from Sre Ambel to Koh Kong is in a horrible condition. Once that has been upgraded, it might be a more attractive option.

armchairlawyer · Post by **armchairlawyer** » Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:38 am

Alex wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:59 pm
armchairlawyer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:58 pm I have crossed the land border at Hat Lek/Koh Kong four times this year and have not waited more than five minutes.
I use that land border quite sometimes, too, but not to save time on a trip from Phnom Penh to Bangkok, because flying is obviously much quicker.

Five minutes at the border, BUT the road from Sre Ambel to Koh Kong is in a horrible condition. Once that has been upgraded, it might be a more attractive option.

Yes, obviously it is not a good way to go from Phnom Penh to BKK. Good for going to Koh Chang.
That road will be under construction for another three years.
The border crossing is quiet and quick.
Even when the road is finished, flying will be a lot quicker PP-BKK (714km). But SR-BKK (395km) is a different matter. At under 400km and with decent roads, a lot of pax will look at land transport, and environmental policies will increasingly encourage it through differential taxation etc.

armchairlawyer · Post by **armchairlawyer** » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:36 pm

I see Air Asia are talking about advancing their plans for Cambodia as a base for flights. Their initial business model "Now Everyone Can Fly" worked very well in Malaysia, then in Indonesia and Thailand. It was based on rising affluence, low passport fees and a big domestic flight market. Cambodia has limited potential for domestic flights (especially once SR airport has moved) and international flights for Cambodians are hampered by the high cost of passports. I imagine Air Asia are pushing pretty hard for a substantial reduction in passport fees, and indeed this was given official support a few months ago.

https://www.khmertimeskh.com/501363710/ ... stry-soon/

Doc67 · Post by **Doc67** » Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:16 pm

I have a couple of friends that recently moved to Siem Reap and I would like to pay a visit.

The choices for a return trip are:
Minimum 12 hours in a bus with plastic seats - $40 return;
10 hours in a car with a nose-picking, coughing, texting Kamakazi driver - $140 return (more?);
8 hours (minimum) faffing about with airports, taxis to a from and 2 hours flying time - $250 air fare plus $100 in taxis

What a choice.

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:14 pm

Yes, this point has made me reluctant to travel around Cambodia so many times. What looks like a simple route ends up taking a ridiculous amount of time.

armchairlawyer · Post by **armchairlawyer** » Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:06 pm

Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:16 pm I have a couple of friends that recently moved to Siem Reap and I would like to pay a visit.

The choices for a return trip are:
Minimum 12 hours in a bus with plastic seats - $40 return;
10 hours in a car with a nose-picking, coughing, texting Kamakazi driver - $140 return (more?);
8 hours (minimum) faffing about with airports, taxis to a from and 2 hours flying time - $250 air fare plus $100 in taxis

What a choice.

Last year I used the Post Office bus in one direction and the big Giant Ibis bus in the other. Both were OK. Book the front seat for the PO bus.
Or you can go to departure point for share taxis and get a front seat. I think you're being too negative about taxis. I have been happy with most of my rides.

armchairlawyer · Post by **armchairlawyer** » Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:19 am

They must be confident of demand for the new airport at SR. All pax charges haver been increased by $5 per pax.
The more I think about aviation demand in Cambodia, the more I think that the best (only?) answer is a massive reduction in passport fees for Cambodians. A $15-20 fee would help a lot. And still be on a par with neighbouring countries. The other step would be to abolish visa fees for international short term tourists. When I am in Thailand, I often ask the locals (from all parts of the income spectrum) whether they have been to Cambodia. I must have asked hundreds and not one has said yes.Not even ones from Trat who are close to the border.

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:46 am

armchairlawyer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:19 am They must be confident of demand for the new airport at SR. All pax charges haver been increased by $5 per pax.
The more I think about aviation demand in Cambodia, the more I think that the best (only?) answer is a massive reduction in passport fees for Cambodians. A $15-20 fee would help a lot. And still be on a par with neighbouring countries. The other step would be to abolish visa fees for international short term tourists. When I am in Thailand, I often ask the locals (from all parts of the income spectrum) whether they have been to Cambodia. I must have asked hundreds and not one has said yes.Not even ones from Trat who are close to the border.

Thai locals have zero interest in Cambodia, Other than visiting the casinos on the border
temples? naaa
food? naaa
forest? naaa
beaches? ,naaa
locals? naaaa

Passport; Thai passport 1,015 baht, takes 2-3 days, can get in every province
Cambodian; $100 BUT you need travel to PP and takes 2 weeks or so

Personally i think the new airport in SR is a way for some very rich people to launder their cash>(plus whomever sold the land there) and for whomever runs the taxi's, to rack in the $$$

Alex · Post by **Alex** » Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:29 pm

armchairlawyer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:19 am They must be confident of demand for the new airport at SR. All pax charges haver been increased by $5 per pax.
The more I think about aviation demand in Cambodia, the more I think that the best (only?) answer is a massive reduction in passport fees for Cambodians. A $15-20 fee would help a lot. And still be on a par with neighbouring countries. The other step would be to abolish visa fees for international short term tourists. When I am in Thailand, I often ask the locals (from all parts of the income spectrum) whether they have been to Cambodia. I must have asked hundreds and not one has said yes.Not even ones from Trat who are close to the border.

I think the wealth gap between those Khmers who can afford international air travel and those who can't is that wide that lower passport fees wouldn't have a significant impact on numbers. Still, I agree that it's pricier than it should be.

Thais don't need a visa to visit Cambodia, but visa-free entry for people holidaying in Thailand might entice more of them to embark on a side trip.

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