Cambodia to Boost Clean Energy Use — But Coal Plants Planned Too

Queef · Post by **Queef** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:24 pm

Arget wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:54 am As I am an old fart (a boomer even) I thought I would jot down a couple of things that I was thinking about last night while watching some news stuff on climate change.

I have to agree that what is called climate change is what was commonly called "the weather" previously. Yes we had droughts and floods and fires etc.
In Australia there are more fires that cause devastation to houses but consider that where a lot of these houses were destroyed was vacant land before.
If we bow to those who want to cut out use on fossil fuel production then we will go back to travelling the world without aircraft and any vehicles.
Don't interrupt with "we will use electric cars" crap as there will be no electricity.

To build your wind farms you need to manufacture the parts (lets see now, how do we get the metal for the structures) we need to transport them to the sites and get those big propela thingys up top.
Cannot use cranes, helicopters to get them there as they use fossil fuels.
Same deal with solar as these have to be manufactured . they are not made from natural fibres.

How do you produce the structures for transporting electricity across countries? They are made from steel that is mined and transported and produced using fossil fuels, the wires used in electrical components and even in your home is copper, damn this is also a product that requires mining , smelting and transport. We will not even mention that it needs to have insulation that is a petroleum byproduct (??)

If and when some bright spark invents a way to do something amazing to manufacture some of these bits, how will they benefit anyone else as there will be no transport.
The special people now tell us that cows emit too much methane so using farting bullocks as in the wagons of pre motorised vehicles will be an environmental catastrophe on its own.

Now to the crux.

If i stop using plastic and I set up solar panels for my home and I have a vegan (yuck) lifestyle what fucking difference will I make unless everyone does the same. If everyone in the rest of the world did this except one country then they would rule the world.

You sure are a boomer

Climate change and weather are completely different. Climate change is the result of human activities on weather patterns. Droughts, hurricanes, floods, blizzards and so on have always existed. Their intensity/ frequency however is increasing due to the earth getting warmer. Why does climate change matters? It's simple: it threatens the very existence of humankind on the long run. Earth will keep on rotating. Humans (and other life forms) will disappear if their habitat is unlivable.

You obviously have something against little Greta Thunberg if one of your main arguments is "how are we going to travel?"

You realize that everything you're saying is taken into account when calculating how much CO2 will not be produced over a RE plant lifetime?

There is a very basic economic principle (I think that's high school econ too) called an externality. Look it up.

"If i stop using plastic and I set up solar panels for my home and I have a vegan (yuck) lifestyle what fucking difference will I make unless everyone does the same. If everyone in the rest of the world did this except one country then they would rule the world."

Woah... Just woah... Were you born that way or that's something you diligently cultivated over the years?

CEOCambodiaNews · Post by **CEOCambodiaNews** » Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:39 am

1,000MW Coal-fired Power Projects Approved
AKP Phnom Penh, February 07, 2020 --

The cabinet ministers have approved two coal-fired power projects, cumulatively 965 megawatts (MW) in power generation.

The approval was made in the plenary cabinet meeting held here on Feb. 7 under the chairmanship of Prime Minister Samdech Akka Moha Sena Padei Techo HE.

Of the approved projects, the 265MW coal-fired power plant of Han Seng Coal Mines Co., Ltd. is located in Trapaing Prasat district, Oddar Meanchey province. The plant is scheduled to generate power in 2022.

The other one, a 700MW coal-fired power plant, is a joint venture between Royal Group and Sinosteel Equipment and Engineering Co., Ltd., located in Botum Sakor district, Koh Kong province. It is planned to generate power in 2024.

Additionally, the cabinet ministers also endorsed the 230 kilovolt-transmission line development linking the coal-fired power plant in Oddar Meanchey province to sub-power station in Siem Reap province.

Currently, Cambodia has two coal-fired power plants - CEL I and CIIDG Erdos Hongjun Electric Power, located in Stung Hav district, Preah Sihanouk province. They generate a total energy of 505MW.

Another 135MW coal-fired power plant, in Stung Hav district, is scheduled to come online in the first quarter of this year, according to H.E. Victor Jona, Director General of Energy at the Ministry of Mines and Energy.

The Royal Government has approved many power plant projects to respond to the increasing demand in power due to people’s consumption, development, and investment activities, he explained.

In December last year, a 700MW coal-fired power plant in Stung Hav started construction and the power generation is scheduled in 2020.

By Chea Vannak
AKP

SternAAlbifrons · Post by **SternAAlbifrons** » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:51 am

We dinosaurs are over the moon ^^^ it's all about cheaper air con for us.

and cheaper cold beer and frozen burger patties
and i can run hollywood shit through the giant screen even longer
and not worry about managing my gadget settings or turning off the light when i leave the room.

It's all about mee, and bringing reading lights to the poor school kids in the rural villages of course.
Not about powering the new polluting industry precincts that China is steadily moving offshore, at all.

CEOCambodiaNews · Post by **CEOCambodiaNews** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:54 am

Wind power project deal expected this year
Thou Vireak | Publication date 02 March 2020 | 23:08 ICT
The government expects to sign an agreement with French-owned Blue Circle to develop a wind farm project within the first half of the year, the director-general of the Ministry of Mines and Energy’s General Department of Energy Victor Jona said on Monday.

Jona told The Post that state-run electricity supplier Electricite du Cambodge (EdC) was in negotiations with the firm and both sides plan to sign an agreement soon.

“I am optimistic they will reach an agreement within the first half of the year,” he said.
https://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/ ... ected-year

j57 · Post by **j57** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:53 am

burning clean coal with 21st century filtration to produce electricity is a hell of a lot better for Cambodia than destroying the Mekong river.
China is not going to stop burning coal.
Climate change....The Great Lakes in The USA and Canada were created by a massive change in climate.
Of course the planet was cleaner before plastics and billions of people using them every day.
The good ol days of reusing glass bottles and paper bags at the grocery store makes sense to me.
Anybody who pays for a product tends to try to use less than some free loader.
My Pop telling me to turn off the lights, don't take a 30 minute shower and if you can't pay cash you can't afford it come to mind.
What did you expect when a society was created who all had a cell phone and lights? less usage?
Amazing how the chinese virus has cleared the air over china these past weeks since they closed down their production.

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:26 am

There is nothing wrong with taking clean water from rivers , using it, and returning it into the river in it's original clean condition.

There is also nothing wrong in taking clean air , using it to burn coal , and returning the air into the atmosphere where it came from in it's original clean condition .

So why are we not doing it ?

CEOCambodiaNews · Post by **CEOCambodiaNews** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:36 am

Cambodia raises electricity output for domestic consumption
The first phase of a 380 million USD HFO power plant in Kandal province’s Lvea Em district will begin operations in April and produce 100MW of electricity, said the Cambodian Ministry of Mines and Energy.
VNA Wednesday, March 04, 2020 19:42

Phnom Penh (VNA) - The first phase of a 380 million USD HFO* power plant in Kandal province’s Lvea Em district will begin operations in April and produce 100MW of electricity, said the Cambodian Ministry of Mines and Energy.

The ministry’s spokesman Victor Jona told The Phnom Penh Post on March 3 that an additional 300MW will be produced during the second quarter or the early third quarter of this year.

With this additional energy, Cambodia will not suffer power shortages like last year, he said.

The power plant will start operating as planned in April this year, while the full process could start in June or July, he said.

“The situation of electricity supply from now onwards is good because we have 85 percent of water supply for hydropower while in the same period last year we only had 30 percent,” he said.

Jona said the demand for electricity is growing at an average of 16-18 percent annually, except from 2018 to last year, which saw a 25 percent growth.

Currently, Cambodia can generate about 70-80 percent of total electricity consumption, the spokesman said.

The director-general of Electricité du Cambodge (EdC), Keo Ratanak, said previously that Cambodia is working to generate more than 1,000MW of new energy by the end of this year.
https://en.vietnamplus.vn/cambodia-rais ... 169611.vnp

*HFO = Heavy Fuel Oil, also known as “residual fuel oil”.

CEOCambodiaNews · Post by **CEOCambodiaNews** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:40 am

National Assembly Approves 1,000 MW Coal-Fired Plant Projects
AKP Phnom Penh, March 26 2020 --

National Assembly this morning approved coal-fired power projects with a production capacity of nearly 1,000MW.

The approval was made in an extraordinary parliamentary session chaired by Samdech Akka Moha Ponhea Chakrei Heng Samrin, President of NA, with 108 lawmakers in attendance.

The projects were endorsed by the Council of Ministers in a meeting held on Feb. 7, 2020.
business-and-finance/cambodia-boost-cle ... ml#p396821

The first project is a 700MW coal-fired power plant, a joint venture between Royal Group and China-based Sinosteel Equipment and Engineering Co., Ltd.

The plant will be built in Botom Sakor district, Koh Kong province, and is scheduled to generate power by 2024.

Meanwhile, the second is a 265MW coal-fired power plant to be invested in by Han Seng Coal Mines Co., Ltd. Located in Trapang Prasat district, Oddar Meanchey province. The plant is scheduled to generate power in 2022.

The 230KV transmission line development project, linking the coal-fired power plant in Oddar Meanchey province to the sub-power station in Siem Reap province was also approved on the occasion.
https://www.akp.gov.kh/post/detail/28615

Fourkinnel · Post by **Fourkinnel** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:20 pm

Brown coal and the chemicals released by burning it. Nearly as bad as the dams for destruction! Far worse for pollution!

SternAAlbifrons · Post by **SternAAlbifrons** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:00 pm

Yes,very bad news. If it had to be hydrocarbons - ramped up solar with gas for peak loads would have been a better option during this transition time to full renewables.

But hydro, NO - in terms of immediate destruction of the environment, food chain and food production, dams are far worse.
I let others fight the very necessary big global warming battles - but my particular concerns are local, and Cambodian. Dams cause so much havoc, and with many of them, for so little return.

The Koh Kong dams eg, benefited the builders, the operators and some local back pockets far more than they benefit the people or the economy.
Any sensible realistic appraisal would have given them the thumbs down. Not producing nearly as much power as stated. Badly built and will only be a liability when they are handed back to Cambodia in 30 years.
(Yes that's right, the operators get all the power to sell for next 30 years. Cambodia's pay-off is supposed to be just having the power available to buy, and even that is far less than what was advertised)

Catastrophic on all local livelihoods downstream - especially the billions of fish that breed in the estuaries. One of the most naturally productive fish breeding grounds in the region.
Killing the fisherfamilies livelihoods. And that crucial component of fish protein that would have alleviated the Tonle Sap's dam-driven degradation.

Thank the stars that renewables, including peak load capability, are moving ahead so rapidly.
(but will it be in time enough to beat the planetary tailspin that is fast approaching as temperatures rise?)

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