What Should Top NGO Executives Make?

MekongMouse · Post by **MekongMouse** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:47 pm

CaliforniaGuy wrote:Geez. Some of you guys, your negative comments just floor me. If you think this is so easy and cheap to do lets see any of you do it. In his audited 2013 report for the year ended 2013 he took in contributions of over 10 million dollars! The year before he raised almost 5 million. You guys really think just anyone can do this? that is easy to raise this kind of money? Do you? Try it! He spent $3.4 million on programs in 2012 which grew to $5.3 million in 2014. At then end of the year 2013 he had over $8.7 million in net assets. As for use of the funds Charity Navigator gives it about as high a ranking as you can get. This is about as well run a charity as you can find, check out his board of directors, who by the way, must approve the expenses and programs. You guys should get a grip on reality. I don't know why I even bother posting.

I think it is mostly just Gaudente, who seems to have such a hatred of NGOs that he can't engage in rational argument about any of them. I agree with you about CCF.

Sir_Quality_U_Feel · Post by **Sir_Quality_U_Feel** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:09 pm

CaliforniaGuy wrote:Geez. Some of you guys, your negative comments just floor me. If you think this is so easy and cheap to do lets see any of you do it. In his audited 2013 report for the year ended 2013 he took in contributions of over 10 million dollars! The year before he raised almost 5 million. You guys really think just anyone can do this? that is easy to raise this kind of money? Do you? Try it! He spent $3.4 million on programs in 2012 which grew to $5.3 million in 2014. At then end of the year 2013 he had over $8.7 million in net assets. As for use of the funds Charity Navigator gives it about as high a ranking as you can get. This is about as well run a charity as you can find, check out his board of directors, who by the way, must approve the expenses and programs. You guys should get a grip on reality. I don't know why I even bother posting.

I like CCF's facebook page and the work he is doing is amazing. Growing an organization like CCF so big that young adult and older teenage Khmer can mange roles is beyond hard.

Oh , he is literally building villages on STUNG MEAN chey with a co-op he set up with a house donation type NGO (World Housing?)

97 k per year? In 1956, perhaps a lot, but come on, that's not a lot.

Just saying once again. Scott Neeson LEFT a 7 figure salary at Fox Studios, Hollywood to start CCF.

But I'm sure Vlad has some way a man who traded a 7 figure salary wining n dining movie stars for a 5 figure salary in Cambodia is evil and in it for the cash.

We literally have a man who took a (minimum) $900,000 per year pay cut. But yes..... He is here to get rich....

vladimir · Post by **vladimir** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:17 am

CaliforniaGuy wrote:Geez. Some of you guys, your negative comments just floor me. If you think this is so easy and cheap to do lets see any of you do it. In his audited 2013 report for the year ended 2013 he took in contributions of over 10 million dollars! The year before he raised almost 5 million. You guys really think just anyone can do this? that is easy to raise this kind of money? Do you?

Well, let's ask someone who pretended to be a an ex-hooker and got the royal treatment, and continues to do so, even after she was outed...guilt trips can be productive, right?

I would argue that raising that amount in MOST countries would be difficult, yes, but it's relatively easy in Cambodia, for various reasons

The size of the pie is shrinking, though, I grant you that, but many NGOs here would not survive a thorough auditing, witness one example a few years ago when the audit results were not made public.

I totally agree with AK86 that NGOs should be paid, but my point is that they should be paid reasonably, not excessively. Money should not be the motivation, charity should. Otherwise, join the private sector.

Motivate people with money, don't be surprised if you attract prostitutes.

kiwiincambodia · Post by **kiwiincambodia** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:24 am

But isn't that what he did.? He gave up substantially more money that he was earning in Hollywood to come here, so charity was the motivation.

By your argument you should have no problem with him earning $93K + a year.

vladimir · Post by **vladimir** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:14 pm

kiwiincambodia wrote:But isn't that what he did.? He gave up substantially more money that he was earning in Hollywood to come here, so charity was the motivation.

By your argument you should have no problem with him earning $93K + a year.

By my argument?

Quote what argument of mine defends him earning 93K a year.

I'm not interested in what he earned elsewhere, nor am I solely concerned with his particular example.

I stand by my statement that if salaries are very high, then you WILL have people entering the sector purely/mostly out of cash-interest rather than compassion or goodwill.

If you can't see the logic in that, I can't help you.

Cambodia has many examples of extremely badly-run NGOs, where often the sole aim of establishing them has been profit. Kantha Bopha hospital directs around 90% of its income to intended beneficiaries, and only 10% or less to salaries. How many NGOs do that? Why?

He may be an exception regarding motivation, I don't know his full story, but I still think a local salary of 93K/year for running an NGO is extremely high.

What does the highest-paid Khmer NGO worker earn? And I don't mean Somaly Mom.

YouTube · Post by **General Mackevili** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:08 pm

It is high. I think he and others deserve it.

Have you already answered the amount that you think Neeson should be paid? That would be an interesting amount. What is it?

And I think that offering a high salary isn't a big deal as far as attracting the people only in it for the money. Surely they have to go through a interview process, etc. That should be more of a factor than just thinking people are doing it only for the money.

What about the qualified people who want to help, but ALSO want to earn good money. I think that's fair. With a low salary you exclude them from even wanting to apply.

So I say offer a high salary. Yes, unsavory money hoarding anti-vladamirists will apply, but that's the price you pay for attempting to attract the best to apply, and you DON'T have to hire them.

I personally think that low, vlad-approved salaries would do more harm than good for the over all goals of these NGO's. I think you'd have a lot of qualified people that would like to run these NGO's, but just won't do it for silly wages. They'll instead work for regular businesses that are willing to pay them what they deserve. And then, because of the low salaries being offered, the NGO's will have to settle for less qualified people to fill this important roles.

So Vlad, how much should Neeson make?

vladimir · Post by **vladimir** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:57 pm

I can't stipulate, but if I could, it would depend on what percentage reaches the target beneficiaries.
It would also depend on number of employees, what Khmer employees were earning and several other factors.

What does the word 'charity' mean?

As I've said before, I'm not interested solely in his case, but that has been conveniently overlooked.

We recently had a case in Phnom Penh where an NGO employee was claimed to have been earning in excess of 93K a year, although this was never verified. Everyone was up in arms about that, despite it NEVER being proved, but not this. Why? Double standards.

People can live comfortably on 2K a month in Phnom Penh, many do on less.

Yes, you want qualified people, but isn't charity a qualification for this kind of work any more?

What is an NGO? Doesn't every NGO seek donations based on the principle of charity? So it's OK to get money based on charity, but not to practise it? Come on.

Cowshed Cowboy · Post by **Cowshed Cowboy** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:36 pm

Yet again I believe Vlad is on the money regarding the bigger picture and not this particular case which he is not defending. Who audits the local NGO's that are benefitting from naive western volunteers paying or otherwise. I experienced this in Siem Reap and what I saw was a slick marketing exercise in the countryside akin to a Nigerian 419. The vehicles were 4*4's, and the only staff were full time Sharp Cambodians and their families sending out the expat volunteers for students to boost the numbers. Wtf it was a horrible experience which I could see right through.

Soi Dog · Post by **Soi Dog** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:50 pm

I guess the lesson there is that donors need do the research on the charity before giving money if they want to be sure their gift is being properly used...and volunteers need to do research before volunteering with any group to be sure to get the intended experience for their sacrifice.

YouTube · Post by **General Mackevili** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:12 am

Fuck it. I think all positions in all NGO's/charities should be volunteer positions. Then we could be sure we don't have anyone in the sector that's doing it only/partially for the money.

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