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Re: I want to clear up some misunderstanding about the Chinese

Post by Mr.November » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:52 am

Asia Traveler wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:05 am
couple of questions from observations of the Chinese that frequent Phuket

Why do they feel the need to talk so DAM LOUD in public?
Why, in supermarkets do they block lanes and aisles?
Why do the have no respect for other cultures?
Why do they seem to not act human at times, (all one needs do is look at the videos of Chinese behaving badly) ?

Could you shed some light on these behaviors? It is extremely hard to like having anyone with these traits near you regardless of race or country or origin yet the main land Chinese demonstrate this behaviors so often. Why?
I already explained that. It is because of the Cultural Revolution and Chairman Mao. Actually many Chinese do have manners, look at the Chinese who grew up in Hong Kong, Taiwan or Singapore, very polite and helpful, not doing any of the above you listed - those countries didn't experience Maoism and Cultural Revolution. There are also many well mannered and well-off Chinese, but they tend to stay at home, and act normally, not being noticed abroad - or go to Europe, USA, Australia etc. - why would they need to start a new life in SE Asia if they can go to a rich country to have a good life?

You need to understand that the majority of Chinese in Cambodia are from poor, farmer or working-class backgrounds and grew up in smelly huts shared with chickens or in dirty, crumbling housing, and never were able to attain any good education, apart from their village primary/secondary school. Often they were brought up in poverty by their grandparents in the countryside, while parents worked in new factories in cities and visited only once or twice a year. Now they follow their parents' and grandparents' rural behaviour, which allowed the older generation to survive in Mao's era. Being a "proper" farmer with (exaggerated) farmer manners was envied, heroized and something to aspire to in China in the 60s and 70s, and no one wanted to be seen as a bourgeoisie contra-revolutionary, especially during the purges of Cultural Revolution. What was learned was never unlearned and continues to the second generation now. It is getting better though.
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Re: I want to clear up some misunderstanding about the Chinese

Post by davegorman » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:58 am

I find it amusing Richard is complaining about loudness. The Americans are the loudest people I’ve met, after Australians!

Fantastic post Mr.November. Very informative and just maybe it’ll change some people’s mindsets. Doubtful but hopeful.

Very interesting in comparing it to a civilization rather than a state. Not thought about it like that.
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Re: I want to clear up some misunderstanding about the Chinese

Post by Kung-fu Hillbilly » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:10 am

davegorman wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:58 am
I find it amusing Richard is complaining about loudness.
Richard complains about everything, lets face it.
The idea that seeing the world is going from place to place to look at obvious things is an illusion natural to dull minds.
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Re: I want to clear up some misunderstanding about the Chinese

Post by phuketrichard » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:16 am

culture revolution happened back in 66-76, thats 43 years ago and a whole generation of Chinese,that have been born since then.
and i am not referring to the poor working class Chinese in Camboida, nor the Chinese from Singapore, HK & Taiwan, but the middle class mainlanders, many appear to be in their upper 20-lower 40, that are traveling to Thailand as tourists, (accounting for over 30% of total tourists here)

They way they act is totally unacceptable for a human being in public. Have you seen some of the videos coming out of Thailand and the behavior of the mainlanders?





They have tried to "educate them" BUT its not working
On their own home ground, China’s state news agency Xinhua did the same, releasing a long list of guidelines complete with illustrations issued by the National Tourism Administration. Here are some of the don’ts:

Don’t take the life vests and blankets off the plane.
Don’t spit phlegm or gum, throw litter, urinate or defecate wherever you feel like it.
Don’t take the ashtray or bath towels from guest rooms.
Don’t use towels or bed sheets to wipe your shoes.
Don’t cough, sneeze or pick your nose or teeth in front of others.
Read what a Singapore paper blames their behavior on.
1) Scarcity and lawlessness in their country has resulted in the need to prioritize one’s interest to survive
2) The crowded living environment of the urban poor in China
3) Not everyone had a chance for good education
4) Many lack exposure to foreign cultures
5) Rise of the Noveau Riche 新贵
http://www.jeraldinephneah.com/5-reason ... e-so-rude/
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Re: I want to clear up some misunderstanding about the Chinese

Post by SternAAlbifrons » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:41 am

Population-wide trauma for an extended period does not fix itself overnight, it seems.

Both China's and Cambodia's society were totally turned upside down, inside out, and then reformed into something completely new.
That turmoil lasted for one or more generations in both places.
Maybe we should not expect the finer details of a civilised society to reestablish themselves so soon.

Great tutorial today Mr N, and PR's posted link is excellent also.
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Re: I want to clear up some misunderstanding about the Chinese

Post by SINUS » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:26 pm

ozguyinshv wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:51 am
I met some very friendly Chinese in Sihanoukville when I was working there. Knowing some of the language helped. But yeah Sihanoukville is a dump.
Once in Australia on the Victory River I met a crocodile who was friendly with me and did not try to devour me.
however, I do not trust crocodiles. :)
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Re: I want to clear up some misunderstanding about the Chinese

Post by ozguyinshv » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:28 pm

SINUS wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:26 pm
ozguyinshv wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:51 am
I met some very friendly Chinese in Sihanoukville when I was working there. Knowing some of the language helped. But yeah Sihanoukville is a dump.
Once in Australia on the Victory River I met a crocodile who was friendly with me and did not try to devour me.
however, I do not trust crocodiles. :)

Never trust crocodiles. 8-)
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Re: I want to clear up some misunderstanding about the Chinese

Post by fax » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:33 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:16 am
They way they act is totally unacceptable for a human being in public. Have you seen some of the videos coming out of Thailand and the behavior of the mainlanders?
Yeah, haha. Weird.

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Re: I want to clear up some misunderstanding about the Chinese

Post by SINUS » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:42 pm

Having read all these long posts in the topic, did I understand correctly?
  are these uncultured village boys who came to cambodia, just the first small squad preparing cambodia for the global settlement of millions of cultural and polite Chinese?
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Re: I want to clear up some misunderstanding about the Chinese

Post by clutchcargo » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:01 pm

SINUS wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:26 pm
ozguyinshv wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:51 am
I met some very friendly Chinese in Sihanoukville when I was working there. Knowing some of the language helped. But yeah Sihanoukville is a dump.
Once in Australia on the Victory River I met a crocodile who was friendly with me and did not try to devour me.
however, I do not trust crocodiles. :)
Made me think of this... :mrgreen:

The Scorpion and the Frog is an animal fable that seems to have first emerged in Russia.

A scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung by the scorpion, but the scorpion argues that if it did that, they would both drown. The frog considers this argument sensible and agrees to transport the scorpion. The scorpion climbs onto the frog's back and the frog begins to swim, but midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog, dooming them both. The dying frog asks the scorpion why it stung, to which the scorpion replies "I couldn't help it. It's in my nature."
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