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Good thread OP, The Judge.

Quote - It'd be a good read if a new thread were started about people's worst moto buying experiences in the KOW.

It would also be a good read if there were also best moto buying experiences in the KOW.

We must remember we don't fit in their sales pitch, nor to have understanding of, and why you would ever question the sales. Firstly you would be lucky to buy from some dealers.

As for rogerrabbit and his post above, it kinda dosen't come in to the equation if you are a barang buying a used moto, because you can't register it anyway.
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AndyKK wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 4:29 am
It would also be a good read if there were also best moto buying experiences in the KOW.
Agreed!
AndyKK wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 4:29 amWe must remember we don't fit in their sales pitch, nor to have understanding of, and why you would ever question the sales. Firstly you would be lucky to buy from some dealers.
Please explain. Why would I be lucky to buy from some dealers?
AndyKK wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 4:29 am As for rogerrabbit and his post above, it kinda dosen't come in to the equation if you are a barang buying a used moto, because you can't register it anyway.
Which is why I've never understood why they'd tell a barang that.
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The Judge wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 10:17 am
talltuktuk wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 8:59 pm
I actually had the opposite experience selling my 2012 Honda Click with 35k km. I bought it used, replaced nearly every maintenance item on it proactively, then kept up with normal PMs meticulously. I quickly and properly fixed any issues I had with it at Honda. The plastic was a bit faded (8 year old moto) but otherwise it was in pristine condition mechanically. When I tried to sell it, I priced it according to condition and mileage. I was hounded by locals who didn't think it was a fair price because they prioritize being seen on a newer bike over the condition. I could not get through to people that it was low mileage and mechanically sound, many of them immediately devalued it because it was "old" and didn't have Phnom Penh plates. Then again, this was during my time living in PP so I understand image is a bigger deal there than other parts. I ended up selling it for more money to another barang who did value the condition.
Over the years, I've had dozens of sellers at moto shops say one bike is better than another of the same model, because it has Phnom Penh plates. What's with with this Phnom Penh plates thing?

Is it because you're perceived to be more affluent, and thus better, because you (are perceived to) live in Phnom Penh?

True story....I was just talking to a barang friend of mine and he told me his Khmer father-in-law in the province bought an older moto for dirt cheap, then paid $150 for brand-new Honda Dream plastic panels and fenders with the new decals, just to show everyone how rich and good he must be for (pretending to) having a new 2021 Honda Dream.

It'd be a good read if a new thread were started about people's worst moto buying experiences in the KOW.
That's exactly it. If you have PP plates and a newer model bike, it projects the image that you're affluent enough to live in the big city and drive a new bike. It's such a silly image thing but it is what it is. My bike had *gasp* Battambang plates and that was a big negative when it came to trying to sell it.
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Just to clarify my earlier post. I was talking from my experience with dealers or sellers.. That they seem reluctant to discount on the basis of age. If it's pristine with low kms, it's priced accordingly.

However, I agree with talltuktuk, from a customer perspective, they do want the later, newer models.
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The Judge wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 7:01 am
AndyKK wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 4:29 am
It would also be a good read if there were also best moto buying experiences in the KOW.
Agreed!
AndyKK wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 4:29 amWe must remember we don't fit in their sales pitch, nor to have understanding of, and why you would ever question the sales. Firstly you would be lucky to buy from some dealers.
Please explain. Why would I be lucky to buy from some dealers?
AndyKK wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 4:29 am As for rogerrabbit and his post above, it kinda dosen't come in to the equation if you are a barang buying a used moto, because you can't register it anyway.
Which is why I've never understood why they'd tell a barang that.
To answer why we may be lucky to buy, firstly I have read that there are a good deal of barangs have been refused sale's, more so on new bike's, because it is too much trouble to put it in their name. I do actually think it depends on the sales person. I have never been refused the sales of a bike here, I have had a few up to now, and one new model, but the owners card came back has Mr Honda? I have had more trouble with buying parts. I have been refused sale of parts, one instance was when it was previously arranged, only to get to the counter with the new parts and the owners son said I not sell to you today.
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I don't have any first hand experience registering a moto in my name in Cambodia yet, but I did have a very recent experience that you might find interesting, and may even change your argument that it's so difficult to register a moto in a barang's name.

Last week, I was at a dealer and had agreed to buy a 2020 moto for $2,000 (for moto, registration card, license plate, helmet... everything!, as mutually agreed and accepted by the dealer). As he was completing the paperwork, he decided to up it to $2,050, which I immediately corrected. I told him he called me earlier that same morning and told me he'd sell it for $2,000 all inclusive, since I had told him that my Suzuki Viva had come in at the main Suzuki dealer on Monivong & Sihanouk Blvd and I would be going to buy it, he didn't want to lose a sale to another dealer. I asked why he's bumping it $50. He said registration for a Khmer is more expensive.

I immediately called the Suzuki dealer, put them on speakerphone so the dealer I was at could hear and talk, and I asked if the $15 the Suzuki dealer charged for registration was for everyone, only Khmer, or only barang. The Suzuki dealer said it's $15 for everyone, regardless of nationality (which would seem to suggest there is no meaningful difference). Then the guys at the dealer where I was at asked more questions, but again the main Suzuki dealer confirmed the process is essentially the same and don't warrant a different registration fee for barang.

Despite hearing this, as only a face-saving Khmer would, he wouldn't sell me the moto for $2,000 all inclusive, despite having told me he would only 2 hours earlier, claiming "he didn't know." He even said that if I were a Khmer, $2,000 all-inclusive would be the deal.

It was simply a game to play with barang, knowing that when I came back (I had been there in the previous couple weeks trying to negotiate), I had all documentation needed and the cash. He thought I'd just give the extra $50 so I could have the moto, but I left after saying some unsavory things to him, in Khmer, without purchasing the moto.
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The Judge wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:55 pm I don't have any first hand experience registering a moto in my name in Cambodia yet, but I did have a very recent experience that you might find interesting, and may even change your argument that it's so difficult to register a moto in a barang's name.

Last week, I was at a dealer and had agreed to buy a 2020 moto for $2,000 (for moto, registration card, license plate, helmet... everything!, as mutually agreed and accepted by the dealer). As he was completing the paperwork, he decided to up it to $2,050, which I immediately corrected. I told him he called me earlier that same morning and told me he'd sell it for $2,000 all inclusive, since I had told him that my Suzuki Viva had come in at the main Suzuki dealer on Monivong & Sihanouk Blvd and I would be going to buy it, he didn't want to lose a sale to another dealer. I asked why he's bumping it $50. He said registration for a Khmer is more expensive.

I immediately called the Suzuki dealer, put them on speakerphone so the dealer I was at could hear and talk, and I asked if the $15 the Suzuki dealer charged for registration was for everyone, only Khmer, or only barang. The Suzuki dealer said it's $15 for everyone, regardless of nationality (which would seem to suggest there is no meaningful difference). Then the guys at the dealer where I was at asked more questions, but again the main Suzuki dealer confirmed the process is essentially the same and don't warrant a different registration fee for barang.

Despite hearing this, as only a face-saving Khmer would, he wouldn't sell me the moto for $2,000 all inclusive, despite having told me he would only 2 hours earlier, claiming "he didn't know." He even said that if I were a Khmer, $2,000 all-inclusive would be the deal.

It was simply a game to play with barang, knowing that when I came back (I had been there in the previous couple weeks trying to negotiate), I had all documentation needed and the cash. He thought I'd just give the extra $50 so I could have the moto, but I left after saying some unsavory things to him, in Khmer, without purchasing the moto.
I get your frustration with the change in price..

FWIW tho my experience has been that for a khmer with PP ID card the rego cost can be anything from $0 to $25 depending on the dealer. So, your stated $15 sounds about right.

For a barang, and apparently there is more work involved to do so, I had GPX on Norodom saying they wouldn't do it for barang and 3-4 other dealer shops saying they can for a fee ranging from $75-100.

For my recent moto purchase, I decided to put it into Mrs Cargo's name coz I figured it would be easier..only problem was..her ID card is from the province..not PP. Charged us $50 extra. Friends of hers later confirmed this is the case for non PP ID card holders.
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clutchcargo wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:58 pm
The Judge wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:55 pm I don't have any first hand experience registering a moto in my name in Cambodia yet, but I did have a very recent experience that you might find interesting, and may even change your argument that it's so difficult to register a moto in a barang's name.

Last week, I was at a dealer and had agreed to buy a 2020 moto for $2,000 (for moto, registration card, license plate, helmet... everything!, as mutually agreed and accepted by the dealer). As he was completing the paperwork, he decided to up it to $2,050, which I immediately corrected. I told him he called me earlier that same morning and told me he'd sell it for $2,000 all inclusive, since I had told him that my Suzuki Viva had come in at the main Suzuki dealer on Monivong & Sihanouk Blvd and I would be going to buy it, he didn't want to lose a sale to another dealer. I asked why he's bumping it $50. He said registration for a Khmer is more expensive.

I immediately called the Suzuki dealer, put them on speakerphone so the dealer I was at could hear and talk, and I asked if the $15 the Suzuki dealer charged for registration was for everyone, only Khmer, or only barang. The Suzuki dealer said it's $15 for everyone, regardless of nationality (which would seem to suggest there is no meaningful difference). Then the guys at the dealer where I was at asked more questions, but again the main Suzuki dealer confirmed the process is essentially the same and don't warrant a different registration fee for barang.

Despite hearing this, as only a face-saving Khmer would, he wouldn't sell me the moto for $2,000 all inclusive, despite having told me he would only 2 hours earlier, claiming "he didn't know." He even said that if I were a Khmer, $2,000 all-inclusive would be the deal.

It was simply a game to play with barang, knowing that when I came back (I had been there in the previous couple weeks trying to negotiate), I had all documentation needed and the cash. He thought I'd just give the extra $50 so I could have the moto, but I left after saying some unsavory things to him, in Khmer, without purchasing the moto.
I get your frustration with the change in price..

FWIW tho my experience has been that for a khmer with PP ID card the rego cost can be anything from $0 to $25 depending on the dealer. So, your stated $15 sounds about right.

For a barang, and apparently there is more work involved to do so, I had GPX on Norodom saying they wouldn't do it for barang and 3-4 other dealer shops saying they can for a fee ranging from $75-100.

For my recent moto purchase, I decided to put it into Mrs Cargo's name coz I figured it would be easier..only problem was..her ID card is from the province..not PP. Charged us $50 extra. Friends of hers later confirmed this is the case for non PP ID card holders.
I truly believe you were quoted and charged extra because you are a barang, had nothing to do with your Mrs.'s ID., or the supposed difficulty involved. They made up an lie/excuse to hook you for $50.

And friends of hers must know she is with barang. Khmer follow Khmer to the death. Don't matter if they're friends, mere acquaintences, or strangers, or whose name it is put in ... The rule here is to get more money from barang, even if they're straight up lying and even if a Khmer is married to a barang, because that's where the money comes from.

But I guess as long as people keep giving in to the scam, they'll continue doing it.

I'll pay the $15, because that's what Suzuki charges everyone. But any dealers trying to get $50-$75 extra from a barang can go fuck themselves, which is what I told the 3 guys at that other dealer.
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The Judge wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:34 pm
clutchcargo wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:58 pm
The Judge wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:55 pm I don't have any first hand experience registering a moto in my name in Cambodia yet, but I did have a very recent experience that you might find interesting, and may even change your argument that it's so difficult to register a moto in a barang's name.

Last week, I was at a dealer and had agreed to buy a 2020 moto for $2,000 (for moto, registration card, license plate, helmet... everything!, as mutually agreed and accepted by the dealer). As he was completing the paperwork, he decided to up it to $2,050, which I immediately corrected. I told him he called me earlier that same morning and told me he'd sell it for $2,000 all inclusive, since I had told him that my Suzuki Viva had come in at the main Suzuki dealer on Monivong & Sihanouk Blvd and I would be going to buy it, he didn't want to lose a sale to another dealer. I asked why he's bumping it $50. He said registration for a Khmer is more expensive.

I immediately called the Suzuki dealer, put them on speakerphone so the dealer I was at could hear and talk, and I asked if the $15 the Suzuki dealer charged for registration was for everyone, only Khmer, or only barang. The Suzuki dealer said it's $15 for everyone, regardless of nationality (which would seem to suggest there is no meaningful difference). Then the guys at the dealer where I was at asked more questions, but again the main Suzuki dealer confirmed the process is essentially the same and don't warrant a different registration fee for barang.

Despite hearing this, as only a face-saving Khmer would, he wouldn't sell me the moto for $2,000 all inclusive, despite having told me he would only 2 hours earlier, claiming "he didn't know." He even said that if I were a Khmer, $2,000 all-inclusive would be the deal.

It was simply a game to play with barang, knowing that when I came back (I had been there in the previous couple weeks trying to negotiate), I had all documentation needed and the cash. He thought I'd just give the extra $50 so I could have the moto, but I left after saying some unsavory things to him, in Khmer, without purchasing the moto.
I get your frustration with the change in price..

FWIW tho my experience has been that for a khmer with PP ID card the rego cost can be anything from $0 to $25 depending on the dealer. So, your stated $15 sounds about right.

For a barang, and apparently there is more work involved to do so, I had GPX on Norodom saying they wouldn't do it for barang and 3-4 other dealer shops saying they can for a fee ranging from $75-100.

For my recent moto purchase, I decided to put it into Mrs Cargo's name coz I figured it would be easier..only problem was..her ID card is from the province..not PP. Charged us $50 extra. Friends of hers later confirmed this is the case for non PP ID card holders.
I truly believe you were quoted and charged extra because you are a barang, had nothing to do with your Mrs.'s ID., or the supposed difficulty involved. They made up an lie/excuse to hook you for $50.

And friends of hers must know she is with barang. Khmer follow Khmer to the death. Don't matter if they're friends, mere acquaintences, or strangers, or whose name it is put in ... The rule here is to get more money from barang, even if they're straight up lying and even if a Khmer is married to a barang, because that's where the money comes from.

But I guess as long as people keep giving in to the scam, they'll continue doing it.

I'll pay the $15, because that's what Suzuki charges everyone. But any dealers trying to get $50-$75 extra from a barang can go fuck themselves, which is what I told the 3 guys at that other dealer.
I disagree that the extra charge was because he is a barang.

Dealer will pull same shit on khmer, chinese barang the same - if you take it they continue to give it
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The Judge wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:34 pm
clutchcargo wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:58 pm
The Judge wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:55 pm I don't have any first hand experience registering a moto in my name in Cambodia yet, but I did have a very recent experience that you might find interesting, and may even change your argument that it's so difficult to register a moto in a barang's name.

Last week, I was at a dealer and had agreed to buy a 2020 moto for $2,000 (for moto, registration card, license plate, helmet... everything!, as mutually agreed and accepted by the dealer). As he was completing the paperwork, he decided to up it to $2,050, which I immediately corrected. I told him he called me earlier that same morning and told me he'd sell it for $2,000 all inclusive, since I had told him that my Suzuki Viva had come in at the main Suzuki dealer on Monivong & Sihanouk Blvd and I would be going to buy it, he didn't want to lose a sale to another dealer. I asked why he's bumping it $50. He said registration for a Khmer is more expensive.

I immediately called the Suzuki dealer, put them on speakerphone so the dealer I was at could hear and talk, and I asked if the $15 the Suzuki dealer charged for registration was for everyone, only Khmer, or only barang. The Suzuki dealer said it's $15 for everyone, regardless of nationality (which would seem to suggest there is no meaningful difference). Then the guys at the dealer where I was at asked more questions, but again the main Suzuki dealer confirmed the process is essentially the same and don't warrant a different registration fee for barang.

Despite hearing this, as only a face-saving Khmer would, he wouldn't sell me the moto for $2,000 all inclusive, despite having told me he would only 2 hours earlier, claiming "he didn't know." He even said that if I were a Khmer, $2,000 all-inclusive would be the deal.

It was simply a game to play with barang, knowing that when I came back (I had been there in the previous couple weeks trying to negotiate), I had all documentation needed and the cash. He thought I'd just give the extra $50 so I could have the moto, but I left after saying some unsavory things to him, in Khmer, without purchasing the moto.
I get your frustration with the change in price..

FWIW tho my experience has been that for a khmer with PP ID card the rego cost can be anything from $0 to $25 depending on the dealer. So, your stated $15 sounds about right.

For a barang, and apparently there is more work involved to do so, I had GPX on Norodom saying they wouldn't do it for barang and 3-4 other dealer shops saying they can for a fee ranging from $75-100.

For my recent moto purchase, I decided to put it into Mrs Cargo's name coz I figured it would be easier..only problem was..her ID card is from the province..not PP. Charged us $50 extra. Friends of hers later confirmed this is the case for non PP ID card holders.
I truly believe you were quoted and charged extra because you are a barang, had nothing to do with your Mrs.'s ID., or the supposed difficulty involved. They made up an lie/excuse to hook you for $50.

And friends of hers must know she is with barang. Khmer follow Khmer to the death. Don't matter if they're friends, mere acquaintences, or strangers, or whose name it is put in ... The rule here is to get more money from barang, even if they're straight up lying and even if a Khmer is married to a barang, because that's where the money comes from.

But I guess as long as people keep giving in to the scam, they'll continue doing it.

I'll pay the $15, because that's what Suzuki charges everyone. But any dealers trying to get $50-$75 extra from a barang can go fuck themselves, which is what I told the 3 guys at that other dealer.
Well, your argument falls down coz they stated there would be NO rego cost if I put it in Mrs Cargo's name yet I was a present as a barang lol

Only when we produced the card and they realised it wasn't a PP ID did things change..they weren't to know that..indeed, they expected her to have a PP card.

Seems to me you have a very negative, disparaging view of khmers with your statement here:
And friends of hers must know she is with barang. Khmer follow Khmer to the death. Don't matter if they're friends, mere acquaintences, or strangers, or whose name it is put in ... The rule here is to get more money from barang, even if they're straight up lying and even if a Khmer is married to a barang, because that's where the money comes from.
You know, not all khmers are out there to rip off barangs and I feel sorry for you if you live here and believe that 100%.

How long have you lived here? Coz as a new CEO member your opening posts sound like you're a newbie but now I think you're starting to sound like you're a sock puppet..
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