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Enrighten me please, I've no clue.
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AE86 wrote:
Samouth wrote: AK, you ate potato then.
Rice!!! I'm Asian remember? :D
Yes i remember. You are Japanese-American. Just your screen name, i can already tell where you are originally from. :)
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Samouth wrote:
Advocatus Diaboli wrote:
Samouth wrote: You sound pretty mean.
Just in case you haven't realized -Capitalism always is.
But capitalism doesn't mean you should exploit people for personal benefit. You should pay people who work for you at least in amount they can survive. I wasn't sure if your advice was decent or sarcastic.
Unfortunately history suggests otherwise, and it has been a constant battle between owners of capital and the pursuit of profit on the one hand, and the quest for decent wages and conditions by those selling their labour on the other. Much of what happened in the industrial revolution in 19 century England has parallels in Cambodia today. As George Santayana aptly notes "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it". So a little history.

In 1845 the German philosopher Friedrich Engels who was working in England at the time, wrote a book entitled The Condition of the Working Class in England a study of the industrial working class in Victorian England. This book examines the poor conditions of the working class people of Manchester as a result of the capitalist system which underpinned the Industrial Revolution. There are many parallels between the industrialisation of England in the 19th century and the industrialisation of Cambodia today, particularly with respect to factory workers, the fight for a living wage, and shorter working hours.

Engels argues that the Industrial Revolution made workers worse off. He shows, for example, that in large industrial cities such as Manchester and Liverpool, mortality from disease (such as smallpox, measles, scarlet fever and whooping cough) was four times that in the surrounding countryside, and mortality from convulsions was ten times as high. The overall death-rate in Manchester and Liverpool was significantly higher than the national average (1 in 32.72, 1 in 31.90 and even 1 in 29.90, compared with 1 in 45 or 46). An interesting example shows the increase in the overall death-rates in the industrial town of Carlisle where before the introduction of mills (1779–1787), 4,408 out of 10,000 children died before reaching the age of five, and after their introduction the figure rose to 4,738. Before the introduction of mills, 1,006 out of 10,000 adults died before reaching 39 years old, and after their introduction the death rate rose to 1,261 out of 10,000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Condi ... in_England

The working people of England fought hard for improved conditions and better wages. “Unions in Britain were subject to often severe repression until 1824, but were already widespread in cities such as London. Trade unions were legalized in 1824, where growing numbers of factory workers joined these associations in their efforts to achieve better wages and working conditions.

More permanent trade unions were established from the 1850s, better resourced but often less radical. The London Trades Council was founded in 1860, and the Sheffield Outrages spurred the establishment of the Trades Union Congress in 1868. The legal status of trade unions in the United Kingdom was established by a Royal Commission on Trade Unions in 1867, which agreed that the establishment of the organisations was to the advantage of both employers and employees.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_uni ... ed_Kingdom

During the industrial revolution working conditions were very hazardous causing severe injuries and health problems. In the United Kingdom, the Factory Acts of the early nineteenth century (from 1802 onwards) arose out of concerns about the poor health of children working in cotton mills: the Act of 1833 created a dedicated professional Factory Inspectorate.[7] :41 The initial remit of the Inspectorate was to police restrictions on the working hours in the textile industry of children and young persons (introduced to prevent chronic overwork, identified as leading directly to ill-health and deformation, and indirectly to a high accident rate).

In 1840 a Royal Commission published its findings on the state of conditions for the workers of the mining industry that documented the appallingly dangerous environment that they had to work in and the high frequency of accidents. The commission sparked public outrage which resulted in the Mines Act of 1842 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupatio ... and_health

This was not confined to England, in the USA factory conditions were equally as bad even into the 20th century and it took the disastrous fire of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory in Manhattan New York in 1911 to instigate proper OH & S legislation:

The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in Manhattan, New York City on March 25, 1911 was the deadliest industrial disaster in the history of the city, and one of the deadliest in U.S. history. The fire caused the deaths of 146 garment workers – 123 women and 23 men[1] – who died from the fire, smoke inhalation, or falling or jumping to their deaths. Most of the victims were recent Jewish and Italian immigrant women aged 16 to 23; of the victims whose ages are known, the oldest victim was Providenza Panno at 43, and the youngest were 14-year-olds Kate Leone and "Sara" Rosaria Maltese.

Because the owners had locked the doors to the stairwells and exits, a common practice used to prevent workers from taking unauthorized breaks and pilferage,[6] many of the workers who could not escape the burning building jumped from the eighth, ninth, and tenth floors to the streets below. The fire led to legislation requiring improved factory safety standards and helped spur the growth of the International Ladies' Garment Workers' Union (ILGWU), which fought for better working conditions for sweatshop workers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_ ... ctory_fire
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Samouth wrote:
AE86 wrote:
Samouth wrote: AK, you ate potato then.
Rice!!! I'm Asian remember? :D
Yes i remember. You are Japanese-American. Just your screen name, i can already tell where you are originally from. :)
Just Japanese ;), I lived in America but don't really consider myself American.
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AE86 wrote:
Samouth wrote:
AE86 wrote:
Samouth wrote: AK, you ate potato then.
Rice!!! I'm Asian remember? :D
Yes i remember. You are Japanese-American. Just your screen name, i can already tell where you are originally from. :)
Just Japanese ;), I lived in America but don't really consider myself American.
Sorry, just because your English is really great, so i thought you was born in the US, but your parents are originally from Japan.
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Re: Staff costs

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$85 a month. 3 x 3 hour cleans a week. 1 month's bonus at Khmer New Year. 4 weeks paid holiday a year (plus a lot of bonus holiday when I'm traveling - no need to clean a house that's not getting much dirtier as it sits empty is there?).

In exchange I get someone who speaks fluent English is incredibly helpful and cleans to a high standard. I'm happy.
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Thanks for your response, glad you're happy - but seems well over the market. Each to their own.
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