My most recent experience at everyone's favourite visa agent

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Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:07 pmNow that it's been clarified, I understand your frustration regarding the first issue.
I can't begin to tell you how relieved I am that you understand my frustration, it makes the issue so much easier to accept.
Your view that it wasn't necessary in the past because you were an employer is cute, but we've all faced a harsh reality that's out of our control in the past few years.
The concurrent view of the immigration officer that visits twice a year, and the agency discussed here, but go ahead with your mockery, you seem to need it.
You won't be winning many battles there. You can win one or two by being persistent, but you won't win all of them.
I'm reasonably confident that you don't actually believe you're telling me anything I don't already know, so basically you're grandstanding for the audience, right?
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Why do keep thinking everyone is mocking you? Here, I'll start mocking you for real : do you have self-esteem issues?

Seriously, you seem to get easily pissed off. I remember when you first got here and were regaling us with aggro tales of knocking down shopper's umbrellas, yelling at people and stuff like that. Chill out or your sanity won't last long here. I wasn't mocking you, I was pointing out the obvious which you apparently already know... So what was the purpose of your rant then? Did you want or expect a pat on the shoulder and people to feel bad for you? You bitch about having to pay for a service you feel is too expensive... Then don't use it? If someone feels your tuktuk fares are exorbitant, they simply won't use the service. Go see the immigration officer who visits you twice a year then. He's been so helpful, maybe he can lead you in the right direction.

For the record, I would have fought the first issue strongly and likely would have won it given that it's a small amount of money. I think you simply don't take the right approach when negotiating. Maybe you come off too aggressive, or not aggressive enough in the right way. No way to know, but I find it hard to believe they wouldn't pay you back unless you backed them up against a wall in a bad way. I would go back and try to resolve the issue again (unless you don't care about the money and/or principle anymore).
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Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:10 pm Why do keep thinking everyone is mocking you?
I don't, I think a few people here never miss an opportunity to mock me, and that's totally fair as I post stuff that is argumentative and pissy at times. Some people here are friends and social contacts in real life, who may or may not feel the need to mock me. Others simply just don't care either way.
Here, I'll start mocking you for real : do you have self-esteem issues?
Yes.
Seriously, you seem to get easily pissed off.
That's true, I do.
I remember when you first got here and were regaling us with tales of knocking down shopper's umbrellas, yelling at people and stuff like that.
I don't remember that, but it sounds like me. I do occasionally get shouty angry at stupidly selfish people.
So what was the purpose of your rant then? Did you want or expect a pat on the shoulder and people to feel bad for you?
I was sharing my most recent experience in the WP/EOS saga, as many of us do. Nothing more, nothing less. Do I expect people to feel bad for me? No, although it wouldn't have been terrible for someone to say "well, that's fkd up - Cambodia, eh?" as part of the shared experience of being expats in a foreign land.
You bitch about having to pay for a service you feel is too expensive... Then don't use it? If someone feels your tuktuk fares are exorbitant, they simply won't use the service.
I don't follow - when did I bitch about feeling the service is too expensive? I thought I was commenting on the blatant corruption involved in the process...
Go see the immigration officer who visits you twice a year then. He's been so helpful, maybe he can lead you in the right direction.
Mrs Stroppy also thought this might be a good idea, although I suspect she meant it sincerely while you might be taking the piss. Thanks for your input, though.

Edit: I see you deleted and reposted while I was replying to your original. Do that much?
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WTF.

And.

WTF.

Will someone speak to StoppyChops and either kick him in the balls (if he has any) or give him a fucking hug. (no reach around. He's definitely got no cock.).

Oh. Don't mention his "social enterprise". He does it enough.

Sweeeeeetttttttt.
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StroppyChops wrote:
Jamie_Lambo wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:00 am i rate this story 3/5 carrots
I was starting to wonder if I'd need to post an allegorical version for those who need less syllables in their reading.
PSD-Kiwi wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:26 pmWhy is everyone associating Work Permits with the Immigration Dept? They have nothing to do with WP's, it is the MoLVT, and any fines for previous years will be paid to them.
Fully accept that you're right - but oddly it IS Immigration that's dealing with my school on WPs.
epidemiks wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:08 pm1. You're going off WP advice from ministry of Immigration, not Labor. It doesn't matter what immigration say, and that's why the lady laughed at you.
Be honest - you picked up on this about three seconds after reading Kiwi's clarification. Or you'd have commented on it earlier.

Yep that's it. Nice dodge of everything I wrote though. :thumbs:
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epidemiks wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:50 pmYep that's it. Nice dodge of everything I wrote though. :thumbs:
Oh, sorry little snowflake, I didn't realise you thought you'd written something uniquely original that hadn't already been covered by others, and were waiting for a response to validate your input.

I agree with everything you said, you're right, I'm wrong.
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epidemiks wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:52 pm So you've never had a work permit, and now want a work permit, but don't want to pay the fine you are liable for, and also don't want to cut a deal via the agent representing you to cut a deal?

Not sure what you expect. Take the chance of getting out with a 50% discount find another agent, or do it yourself and pay whatever you're able to negotiate.

If you've got competent staff, why not send them direct to sort this out?
F the back duty. What Stroppy posted shows how much of a dirty scam it is. Alright if you worked for some poxy western company or likely scamming NGO and could actually get one before around 3 years ago. But most couldn't, even if they tried hard.
Plus they have been charging an illegal double amount for the visa ever since at least 2002. I figure they owe ME back duty.
Plus, the fine is on top of the back duty. :facepalm:

I would have had one three years ago when they first started clamping down on something a normal employee couldn't get on their own, when I worked for one of those terrible puppy- mill schools. But for the fact that they wanted an additional see krook amount of $75 for an 'education licence', which made me extremerly suspicious of not getting the work permit after I had paid for it.
If they had brought the whole process in transparently and didn't allow it to be to used by their own employees or other employers as a way to scam people for thousands of dollars in some cases, I don't think anyone would be complaining.

It's the same as for income tax AFAIK. The government tax collectors used to do deals and pocket the cash. The school I first worked for was one of the few actually taking tax from their employees, BELTEI wasn't, and nor were most of the others. If the government body and its agents were so inefficient/ corrupt in the past, they shouldn't try to push their problem onto others. And when the huge puppy schools weren't paying or collecting from their employees, it is obviously a scam trying to collect back duty and fines for tax until recently.

It is what it is, but don't try and legitimise it for them.
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StroppyChops wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:22 pmMrs Stroppy also thought this might be a good idea, although I suspect she meant it sincerely while you might be taking the piss. Thanks for your input, though.

Edit: I see you deleted and reposted while I was replying to your original. Do that much?
I meant it both seriously and sarcastically. I do think he would be the first person I would ask, since he seems to be the source of all your confusion. He could at least point you in the right direction. If he starts avoiding the topic after you explain your situation and ask to know who/where to sort it out, then you'll know he's full of shit (or he realizes it won't be possible). However, he may very well have contacts you can go see that could easily sort you out.

I didn't delete and repost, I simply edited. I very rarely delete my posts, but I edit almost all of them. I'll post them, read them again and correct typos, add or delete things. I know that's what the preview tab is for, but I never use it and prefer to edit after the fact. I do this for around 80-90% of my longer posts.
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