HRT
- frank lee bent
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Re: HRT
you can get a PSA anywhere- that is waht you really need to watch out for.
Re: HRT
Not true. There is SO much more involved than just PSA in monitoring HRT.
Psa is outdated & outmoded. I use it as a base line only.
The Useless PSA Tests and
Their Potential Dangers
The routine PSA Test is another of the almost totally useless procedures inflicted on men over 40. It can unnecessarily scare the crap out of a man and lead to more harm than good.
This test is performed by drawing some blood and measuring the amount of a specific protein (PSA) in that blood sample.
A high PSA test level (prostate specific antigen test level) is not an accurate indicator of prostate cancer. And, that is what the test is primarily used for. The test is really not a very accurate indicator of anything specific.
PSA Levels
are
Usually Meaningless Indicators
Is William nuts here? Aren't PSA levels the Holy Grail and what we should base ALL of our conclusions on??
NO!
Test levels can be high for many reasons. Even normal ejaculation can dramatically increase a test score for 48 hours after the ejaculation.
Whenever prostate health is affected, you may see an elevated PSA level. Infection, BPH (benign prostatic hyperplasia), enlargement of any kind, even age can also all cause a high PSA test score. So can an overly aggressive prostate massage.
Here's the real kicker:
"The prostate gland
is not the only organ that secretes the
' prostate specific antigen ' .
Which means: it is not really as specific to the prostate gland as was once believed."
The same material ("prostate specific antigen") is also found in other types of cells. This includes cells of myeloid leukemia, lung cancer, ovarian cancer, breast cancer, and sometimes even in normal blood cells.
PSA Test Inaccuracy
Is Legendary!
If you are doubting this, listen to what one of the top Medical Doctors, Dr. James Eastham (MD, FACS, of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center), has to say:
"Studying 1000 men, researchers found that about 1/2 of those who had a high PSA level, had normal results in the 2nd test."
He goes on to say the problem with most second tests (where the levels remained the same) is that they are usually performed too soon after the first test.
Dr. Eastham suggests waiting not a week, but about 6 weeks before the second test. This gives the body a chance to remedy whatever condition existed that may have caused the PSA levels to be abnormally high.
And, Dr. Eastham goes on to say:
"If prostate cancer does exist,
more often than not,
it is not detected with a PSA level test anyway."
Furthermore, Dr. Eastham says: "Only 1 out of 4 biopsys detected cancer that existed."
Even the National Cancer Institute and The US Preventative Services Task Force are in opposition to routine PSA testing. They believe the risks of follow-up tests (prostate biopsy)
prostate biopsy
and the treatment side effects may outweigh the possible benefits.
Why perform unnecessary costly inaccurate tests that may prompt life threatening further tests (like prostate biopsy)?
Constant Unreliable Results
It is well known that there are many "false positive" results and "false negative" results in the history of the PSA level test.
The New England Journal of Medicine states: "(the) PSA level test has been found to miss 82 percent of tumors in men under 60, and 65 percent of cancers in older men".
This data is erroneously causing some scientists to recommend that men with even lower PSA test scores have biopsies! That is disgusting!
That, of course, would have even more men without prostate cancer enduring a risky unnecessary prostate biopsy "just to be sure". And worst of all, these biopsys put men who actually have cancer in this gland at a much higher risk of spreading their cancer cells.
A Better Test With Reliable Results
A testing method far superior to the PSA Test is available. It was developed by the Oregon Health & Science University Cancer Institute and the Portland Veterans Affairs Medical Center (PVAMC).
Dr. Garzotto (director of urologic oncology at the PVAMC, associate professor of surgery ((urology)) in the OHSU School of Medicine, and member of the OHSU Cancer Institute) who is the lead study investigator states: "Knowing a patient's age and the results of a few simple clinical tests is all the information we need to accurately predict tumor grade without performing a biopsy."
Conclusion
It can only be concluded that the PSA test is an outdated, inefficient, potentially extremely harmful method of diagnosing prostate cancer or any other type of prostate disorder.
Be Well.....
~ William
This is just one on many articles concerning the invalidity of PSA. Particularly when used alone as an indicator of potential prostate cancer.
Ultrasound is much more definitive but a wee bit more uncomfortable.
Psa is outdated & outmoded. I use it as a base line only.
The Useless PSA Tests and
Their Potential Dangers
The routine PSA Test is another of the almost totally useless procedures inflicted on men over 40. It can unnecessarily scare the crap out of a man and lead to more harm than good.
This test is performed by drawing some blood and measuring the amount of a specific protein (PSA) in that blood sample.
A high PSA test level (prostate specific antigen test level) is not an accurate indicator of prostate cancer. And, that is what the test is primarily used for. The test is really not a very accurate indicator of anything specific.
PSA Levels
are
Usually Meaningless Indicators
Is William nuts here? Aren't PSA levels the Holy Grail and what we should base ALL of our conclusions on??
NO!
Test levels can be high for many reasons. Even normal ejaculation can dramatically increase a test score for 48 hours after the ejaculation.
Whenever prostate health is affected, you may see an elevated PSA level. Infection, BPH (benign prostatic hyperplasia), enlargement of any kind, even age can also all cause a high PSA test score. So can an overly aggressive prostate massage.
Here's the real kicker:
"The prostate gland
is not the only organ that secretes the
' prostate specific antigen ' .
Which means: it is not really as specific to the prostate gland as was once believed."
The same material ("prostate specific antigen") is also found in other types of cells. This includes cells of myeloid leukemia, lung cancer, ovarian cancer, breast cancer, and sometimes even in normal blood cells.
PSA Test Inaccuracy
Is Legendary!
If you are doubting this, listen to what one of the top Medical Doctors, Dr. James Eastham (MD, FACS, of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center), has to say:
"Studying 1000 men, researchers found that about 1/2 of those who had a high PSA level, had normal results in the 2nd test."
He goes on to say the problem with most second tests (where the levels remained the same) is that they are usually performed too soon after the first test.
Dr. Eastham suggests waiting not a week, but about 6 weeks before the second test. This gives the body a chance to remedy whatever condition existed that may have caused the PSA levels to be abnormally high.
And, Dr. Eastham goes on to say:
"If prostate cancer does exist,
more often than not,
it is not detected with a PSA level test anyway."
Furthermore, Dr. Eastham says: "Only 1 out of 4 biopsys detected cancer that existed."
Even the National Cancer Institute and The US Preventative Services Task Force are in opposition to routine PSA testing. They believe the risks of follow-up tests (prostate biopsy)
prostate biopsy
and the treatment side effects may outweigh the possible benefits.
Why perform unnecessary costly inaccurate tests that may prompt life threatening further tests (like prostate biopsy)?
Constant Unreliable Results
It is well known that there are many "false positive" results and "false negative" results in the history of the PSA level test.
The New England Journal of Medicine states: "(the) PSA level test has been found to miss 82 percent of tumors in men under 60, and 65 percent of cancers in older men".
This data is erroneously causing some scientists to recommend that men with even lower PSA test scores have biopsies! That is disgusting!
That, of course, would have even more men without prostate cancer enduring a risky unnecessary prostate biopsy "just to be sure". And worst of all, these biopsys put men who actually have cancer in this gland at a much higher risk of spreading their cancer cells.
A Better Test With Reliable Results
A testing method far superior to the PSA Test is available. It was developed by the Oregon Health & Science University Cancer Institute and the Portland Veterans Affairs Medical Center (PVAMC).
Dr. Garzotto (director of urologic oncology at the PVAMC, associate professor of surgery ((urology)) in the OHSU School of Medicine, and member of the OHSU Cancer Institute) who is the lead study investigator states: "Knowing a patient's age and the results of a few simple clinical tests is all the information we need to accurately predict tumor grade without performing a biopsy."
Conclusion
It can only be concluded that the PSA test is an outdated, inefficient, potentially extremely harmful method of diagnosing prostate cancer or any other type of prostate disorder.
Be Well.....
~ William
This is just one on many articles concerning the invalidity of PSA. Particularly when used alone as an indicator of potential prostate cancer.
Ultrasound is much more definitive but a wee bit more uncomfortable.
- frank lee bent
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Re: HRT
wow!
Re: HRT
I would like to suggest that any male interested in regaining their vigor, stamina and horniness of their youth to consider HRT.
Caveat: At least have the common sense to educate yourself on the pros & cons PRIOR to self administration. There are health risks to be considered. Serious health risks! As in cardiac arrest.
Two very good web sites I will list here.
1 allthingsmale.com
2 Tnation.com
& once again the book Testosterone: A mans guide. Available from Amazon $8.00
Caveat: At least have the common sense to educate yourself on the pros & cons PRIOR to self administration. There are health risks to be considered. Serious health risks! As in cardiac arrest.
Two very good web sites I will list here.
1 allthingsmale.com
2 Tnation.com
& once again the book Testosterone: A mans guide. Available from Amazon $8.00
- phuketrichard
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Re: HRT
i have no problem
and when my body says its tired
i accept that
do not want to HAVE to take drugs to extend my life
and when my body says its tired
i accept that
do not want to HAVE to take drugs to extend my life
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
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I hope your not saying ,, Testosterone is a drug. If so, then 99% of men with testosterone in their bodies are druggies.phuketrichard wrote:i have no problem
and when my body says its tired
i accept that
do not want to HAVE to take drugs to extend my life
Cambodia,,,, Don't fall in love with her.
Like the spoilt child she is, she will not be happy till she destroys herself from within and breaks your heart.
Like the spoilt child she is, she will not be happy till she destroys herself from within and breaks your heart.
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Re: HRT
seems yes it is as isn't what this is about taking HRT?
what is ur definition of a druggie?
I don't include those that need meds for whatever purpose, as a druggie
what is ur definition of a druggie?
I don't include those that need meds for whatever purpose, as a druggie
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
Re: HRT
Are ganja users druggies? Are coffee drinkers druggies? etc. ad nauseum!
You may be missing the point in part. For me it is not as much about life extension as it is quality over quantity of life. I feel my life is much improved with HRT. Energy, focus, libido, no moobs are just a few benefits that I find worthwhile.
But in the final analysis to each their own. Or more succinctly, up 2 u!
You may be missing the point in part. For me it is not as much about life extension as it is quality over quantity of life. I feel my life is much improved with HRT. Energy, focus, libido, no moobs are just a few benefits that I find worthwhile.
But in the final analysis to each their own. Or more succinctly, up 2 u!
- frank lee bent
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Re: HRT
double post dam network lag.
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- frank lee bent
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Re: HRT
hardly a drug when your own body manufactures it.
like saying iron is a drug if you are anemic.
better than osteoporosis for sure.
like saying iron is a drug if you are anemic.
better than osteoporosis for sure.
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