Expected salary

Phnom Poon · Post by **Phnom Poon** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:27 pm

never tell what you're already, or were previously earning
and avoid being first to name a price

say that your first interest is whether you and the job are a good match
then ask what their budget is

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:51 pm

Phnom Poon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:27 pm never tell what you're already, or were previously earning
and avoid being first to name a price

say that your first interest is whether you and the job are a good match
then ask what their budget is

Excellent advice. Even better: Tell them nothing.

nerdlinger · Post by **nerdlinger** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:01 pm

Marty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:37 am There are no perks or benefits? Create your own? If the pay is $4000, work reasonably hard. If the pay is $800, slack off almost to the point of them firing you. That's how I would do it.

I’ve never been able to get my head around that mindset. Are there really people who enjoy their time at work more if they’re doing a bad job? It’s not as though teaching is the sort of thing where you can hide in the break room for 6 hours a day.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:04 pm

nerdlinger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:01 pm
Marty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:37 am There are no perks or benefits? Create your own? If the pay is $4000, work reasonably hard. If the pay is $800, slack off almost to the point of them firing you. That's how I would do it.
I’ve never been able to get my head around that mindset. Are there really people who enjoy their time at work more if they’re doing a bad job? It’s not as though teaching is the sort of thing where you can hide in the break room for 6 hours a day.

It depends on the company and how they treat you. If they skrew you, then skrew them back. And no, don't hide in the break room for 6 hours a day, just give them what they pay for and what they deserve.

nerdlinger · Post by **nerdlinger** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:16 pm

Marty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:04 pm
It depends on the company and how they treat you. If they skrew you, then skrew them back. And no, don't hide in the break room for 6 hours a day, just give them what they pay for and what they deserve.

If they really are screwing you on pay to the point where you’d be motivated to spend a few years being bad at your job, then you shouldn’t take the offer in the first place, surely? The fact that you took the job is both implicit and explicit acceptance of their terms. If you really are worth more than that then you’d be able to find more than that.

(For reference, $800 is over 4* minimum wage)

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:19 pm

nerdlinger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:16 pm
Marty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:04 pm
It depends on the company and how they treat you. If they skrew you, then skrew them back. And no, don't hide in the break room for 6 hours a day, just give them what they pay for and what they deserve.
If they really are screwing you on pay to the point where you’d be motivated to spend a few years being bad at your job, then you shouldn’t take the offer in the first place, surely? The fact that you took the job is both implicit and explicit acceptance of their terms. If you really are worth more than that then you’d be able to find more than that.

I agree with that 100% I've had jobs that only lasted days, not a few years.

samrong01 · Post by **samrong01** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:01 pm

This is not unique to Cambodia. I have been asked many times how much I want in countries ranging from Botswana to Australia. My advice is bid high - you can always come down. If you bid high sometimes they will accept it straight away. This happened to me a few times to my surprise.

Phnom Poon · Post by **Phnom Poon** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:15 pm

samrong01 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:01 pm If you bid high sometimes they will accept it straight away.

then maybe you didn't bid high enough
that's why you don't open with your price
but with something like 'how much am i worth to you?'

Post by **Clutch Cargo** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:32 pm

IMHO. FWIW. You're giving away a strategic bargaining position by revealing your price. Puts them in control when you do this.

Either seek a high price that if they accept you can't refuse OR throw the ball back in their court and say: what can you offer me to come and work for you?

If they play games after that...move on imo.

Post by **Freightdog** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:35 pm

samrong01 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:01 pm This is not unique to Cambodia. I have been asked many times.

Likewise. I’m not so sure about the following bit of advice, though. Quite often, HR and other admin departments with little to no real understanding of the company’s business engage recruiters who seem to use such criteria to reduce the applicant pile. Being very good at your job and being paid what you’re worth is increasingly a thing of the past.

My advice is bid high - you can always come down. If you bid high sometimes they will accept it straight away. This happened to me a few times to my surprise.

Knowing where to pitch your bid is very useful, sadly. If you need the job desperately, and are willing to pitch low to get the job, you can always move on when times are better. It’s no good for the organisation when the real talent later on votes with their feet, though.

I don’t doubt for one minute that the same attitudes will apply across a lot of industries, now.
They need a position to be filled. They’ve got a bunch of applicants. The applicants are likely to be selected from a pool trimmed down by people who are unable to really judge the quality of the people they’re hiring. They’re banking on the minimum standard meeting the requirement.

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