Well I for one, like Vlads posts, they add a little humour to some otherwise dull conversations. I have read them here and over the other forum. He was the first person, who took time out to meet me on my first visit to PP. He an I have met several time, when I am in town to chat and laugh over a few beers, a sound and very genuine bloke.

Do the baited becomes the baiter, so to speak. HR, I also follow your posts. Of late and I have mentioned this before they have become a little too personal and repetitive. You seem to have set your self a goal of pissing the forum off, It would be better if you did not achieve all of your goals.

F J - I too have read your posts on the other forum. Seeming to centre around your wish to school a 'pre-teen' child, who you would like to live with but not full time... you, yourself are an elderly gentleman... could this not be read, by some, as something distasteful, to say the least?

Maybe your intentions are honourable, and above board. Maybe it is a translation thing but I think it is easy to see how some have read your thread and reacted in a non-positive manner.

There are room on both forums for everyone, if you do not like a thread, start another, lets all just discuss, debate and even argue, in an adult manner. Personal attacks maybe made against a single person but are read by many hundreds, who remain silent but forum strong opinions on what they read (what you write)

Sir Cliff is still squeaky clean in my opinion, unless it can be demonstrated otherwise. A bit unfair to lump him in with the herd at this point. Mind you, I was very surprised that Rolf Harris was found to be guilty.

Hey I am looking for a good school for a pre teen kid, and at the same time have her live here in the city helping my family around the house. Is that only on K440 you will be accused of wrongdoings? I could ask the same question in fucking Kansas and get better more respectful treatment than around here. Just amazing.

StroppyChops wrote:Sir Cliff is still squeaky clean in my opinion, unless it can be demonstrated otherwise. A bit unfair to lump him in with the herd at this point. Mind you, I was very surprised that Rolf Harris was found to be guilty.

That I agree with. You'll note I said possibly in regards to cliff Richard.

As for Rolf. Without sitting through the days or weeks of the trial we cannot really fathom the evidence there was against him.

Digg3r wrote:

StroppyChops wrote:Sir Cliff is still squeaky clean in my opinion, unless it can be demonstrated otherwise. A bit unfair to lump him in with the herd at this point. Mind you, I was very surprised that Rolf Harris was found to be guilty.

That I agree with. You'll note I said possibly in regards to cliff Richard.

As for Rolf. Without sitting through the days or weeks of the trial we cannot really fathom the evidence there was against him.

I did note that. Wasn't correcting you, was just giving my view.

I've yet to see anything conclusive about Michael Jackson either. Obviously, that mom made a trap and it was all about the money. Sad lady, trying to sell her kids like that.

I think there is a big difference between them:

MJ did thing that were not appropriate for an adult and non related child, that falls along way short of the actions of Rolf H and J Savile, they were predatory paedophiles.

Cliff, I am not sure this is just a chance to get some dirt on him. He has been squeaky clean for to long for some. It does not mean he isn't squeaky clean but it does make him an easy target. But time will tell in this case

EdinWigan wrote:I think there is a big difference between them:

MJ did thing that were not appropriate for an adult and non related child, that falls along way short of the actions of Rolf H and J Savile, they were predatory ...

Why would anyone give up their children to let them sleepover at Michael's house? For the lawsuit later, obviously ...

They just slept in his bed, like little nieces and even nephews. Big deal ...

found that pretty disturbing, that they would get money.

every parent that gives their children away should be hold responsible for what happens then.

would probably reduce such "incidents" big time.

EdinWigan wrote:I think there is a big difference between them:

MJ did thing that were not appropriate for an adult and non related child, that falls along way short of the actions of Rolf H and J Savile, they were predatory paedophiles.

Cliff, I am not sure this is just a chance to get some dirt on him. He has been squeaky clean for to long for some. It does not mean he isn't squeaky clean but it does make him an easy target. But time will tell in this case

Cliff Richards' great crime is that he's public about his beliefs and always has been, it's something he shared with ONJ from the start in their platonic friendship. He wouldn't know me from Adam but I shared a church pew with him a couple of times decades ago when he was in Oz, and he's a really humble guy, rocks up pretty much on his own, no fanfare, participates as any other churchgoer. People have been trying to hang dirt on him for decades - apparently it frustrates some that there isn't any.