A new Khmer440 member the Venerable Nanda

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Re: A new K440 member the Venerable Nanda

Post by Joon » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:00 pm

StroppyChops wrote:
Joon wrote:That's hardly proselytism.
So what's the line, and is it different depending on how much you like a given religion?
The line is when someone is telling me that my soul will be damned unless I accept/embrace their religion in my life.

I would have no problem for a Christian person posting a link to their Facebook page that is about community projects that are not conditioned by faith, or a Muslim person posting a link to a Facebook page about the activities of their Muslim community.

I also would have no problem with a Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Pagan explaining to me their beliefs, without trying to convince me that it is the "right" beliefs and demeaning other beliefs.
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Re: A new K440 member the Venerable Nanda

Post by StroppyChops » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:05 pm

Joon wrote:I would have no problem for a Christian person posting a link to their Facebook page that is about community projects that are not conditioned by faith, or a Muslim person posting a link to a Facebook page about the activities of their Muslim community.
Heading out to dinner, but this distinction intrigues me...
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Re: A new K440 member the Venerable Nanda

Post by LTO » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:14 pm

Joon wrote:
StroppyChops wrote:
Joon wrote:That's hardly proselytism.
So what's the line, and is it different depending on how much you like a given religion?
The line is when someone is telling me that my soul will be damned unless I accept/embrace their religion in my life.

I would have no problem for a Christian person posting a link to their Facebook page that is about community projects that are not conditioned by faith, or a Muslim person posting a link to a Facebook page about the activities of their Muslim community.

I also would have no problem with a Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Pagan explaining to me their beliefs, without trying to convince me that it is the "right" beliefs and demeaning other beliefs.
The (Paulian parts of the) Bible instruct people to go out and spread the word. So to say that you are against religious people who try to spread the word is another way of saying you are against Christian practice and would treat them differently as a result.
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Re: A new K440 member the Venerable Nanda

Post by EdinWigan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:26 pm

Interesting, I like to learn about other peoples beliefs and thoughts but I would never seek to destroy or condemn their beliefs, as they differ from mine. If you remove some ones belief then what do they do when they need it?

To try to do this, is in my humble opinion, one of the worst things people can do, to another.

A little more tolerance and understanding and we would all get on a whole load better, on forums, in our beliefs (Organised or not) in our life in general.

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Re: A new K440 member the Venerable Nanda

Post by Joon » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:28 pm

LTO wrote:
Joon wrote:
StroppyChops wrote:
Joon wrote:That's hardly proselytism.
So what's the line, and is it different depending on how much you like a given religion?
The line is when someone is telling me that my soul will be damned unless I accept/embrace their religion in my life.

I would have no problem for a Christian person posting a link to their Facebook page that is about community projects that are not conditioned by faith, or a Muslim person posting a link to a Facebook page about the activities of their Muslim community.

I also would have no problem with a Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Pagan explaining to me their beliefs, without trying to convince me that it is the "right" beliefs and demeaning other beliefs.
The (Paulian parts of the) Bible instruct people to go out and spread the word. So to say that you are against religious people who try to spread the word is another way of saying you are against Christian practice and would treat them differently as a result.
Spread the word or indoctrinate?
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Re: A new K440 member the Venerable Nanda

Post by Cowshed Cowboy » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:28 pm

Venerable Nanda might not appear again but his short introduction has made for quite an entertaining read on both forums from lots of different on/off topic issues. Interesting how some smallish posts snowball. :thumb:
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Re: A new K440 member the Venerable Nanda

Post by EdinWigan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:33 pm

LTO wrote:
Joon wrote:
StroppyChops wrote:
Joon wrote:That's hardly proselytism.
So what's the line, and is it different depending on how much you like a given religion?
The line is when someone is telling me that my soul will be damned unless I accept/embrace their religion in my life.

I would have no problem for a Christian person posting a link to their Facebook page that is about community projects that are not conditioned by faith, or a Muslim person posting a link to a Facebook page about the activities of their Muslim community.

I also would have no problem with a Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Pagan explaining to me their beliefs, without trying to convince me that it is the "right" beliefs and demeaning other beliefs.
The (Paulian parts of the) Bible instruct people to go out and spread the word. So to say that you are against religious people who try to spread the word is another way of saying you are against Christian practice and would treat them differently as a result.
True beliefs are developed internally, businesses are grown. Religions become, by their nature, vertical structures. Vertical structures develop costs, the higher the structure the more the cost. The more higher levels and people occupying them, the more money needs to be generated at the bottom. Two basic ways to do this:

1. Each 'Customer' pays more

and or

2. More 'Customers'

Sorry, is this sounding a little to commercial?

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Re: A new K440 member the Venerable Nanda

Post by LTO » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:48 pm

EdinWigan wrote:True beliefs are developed internally, businesses are grown. Religions become, by their nature, vertical structures. Vertical structures develop costs, the higher the structure the more the cost. The more higher levels and people occupying them, the more money needs to be generated at the bottom. Two basic ways to do this:

1. Each 'Customer' pays more

and or

2. More 'Customers'

Sorry, is this sounding a little to commercial?

:pardon:
Cynical and very possibly an accurate description.
EdinWigan wrote:Interesting, I like to learn about other peoples beliefs and thoughts but I would never seek to destroy or condemn their beliefs, as they differ from mine. If you remove some ones belief then what do they do when they need it?

To try to do this, is in my humble opinion, one of the worst things people can do, to another.

A little more tolerance and understanding and we would all get on a whole load better, on forums, in our beliefs (Organised or not) in our life in general.

:thumb:
I'm not a Christian, don't really like evangelical types, and generally lean your side here, but if I actually believed that I know some vital, life-saving truth that you don't, whether that truth be something like 'you are unknowingly eating a poisonous substance,' 'you are about to step off a cliff that you didn't notice, ' or 'you a behaving in a way that will damn your eternal soul to Hell', I would see it as my duty and responsibility to inform you of the danger and disabuse you of beliefs that might lead you continue these self-harming practices/actions. As you approached that cliff edge, strolling gleeful unaware of your impending doom, or perhaps even deluded enough to believe your are not in peril, I would be morally remiss, even culpable, if I failed to warn you and/or try to stop you.
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Re: A new K440 member the Venerable Nanda

Post by Kampong Spooner » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:51 pm

Christianity is pretty retarded tho, IMHO. As for white dudes in saffron robes.... well each to their own.
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Re: A new K440 member the Venerable Nanda

Post by EdinWigan » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:54 pm

LTO, good point with which I totally agree. There is though a line between decrying someone belief, in favour of your own and the preservation of life (which is seen across the widest spectrum of 'Religious' books etc...)

I guess it comes down to the difference between discussion and decrying but as I say, good point
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