Lurker colonistin, I've reported you to admin, you're wasting your time
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Re: Lurker colonistin, I've reported you to admin, you're wasting your time
Hey guys, I'll reply more when I'm not out trying to get smashed, but, because I love you all, we can try to finagle some things with the karma, like...(And remember, these are ONLY possibilities, not 100% certain it can be done, or what you guys even think, but here we go):
1) Only the ability to give/take ONE AND ONLY ONE karma point!
2) Maybe set a MINIMUM number of KARMA points you need before you can give negs. If we can do this, what would YOU guys think would be a good set of karma you need? 10? 100? Throw me some numbers!
3) I hate to even think it's come to this, but what about NO NEGATIVE KARMA? Then, not a single carrot-hungry rabbit could possibly complain. I'd love to hear thoughts on this, LoL. Easiest for us Mods without any question, so don't be shy if you like this idea.
4) And.....THIS ONE IS FOR FUN! .... AE. Yes, you. We can argue until the cows come home about whether CEO's karma function is sooooooooooo vulnerable to major abuse like you say or not, so fuck them homeless cows, and let's take this out of "theoretical" territory....
So, here we go....
Your challenge, using me (or fuck, Stroppy, as he might like this too) as your VICTIM...
You have 24 hours to fuck up our karma as much as you can.
That's it. I claim we have more power on CEO undo ANY abuse better than Facebook, Reddit, YouTube, etc, and we'll see if I can deliver and render your efforts futile.
Is that fair, or do to still think we should can or based on your theoretical doomsday scenarios.
So be cool, everyone, and let's see if the system is as fucked as some allege, or if everyone just needs to relax and have faith in us to make sure it's LESS abused than any other user-generated feedback system.
And remember, it's a new feature on CEO that doesn't even exist as is anywhere else on the planet, and I'm sorry if it's not the godsend every single individual member was exactly hoping for, but we are real trying.
No ego here, and if I REALLY though it was "no good," I'd say fuck it and delete it, but I like it and I don't want to can it so fast just because some think it has potential for abuse.
From Stroppy: "Lurker 'colonistin' - registered since 2014 but never contributed, is now working through my posts and negatively rating them."
We have to agree to disagree, but I don't think 2 random -1 points is fairy classified as someone "working through my posts." I expected to see pages of negative karma, not 2 incidences.
Ok, AE, it's all on you to choose your victim and prove me wrong!
1) Only the ability to give/take ONE AND ONLY ONE karma point!
2) Maybe set a MINIMUM number of KARMA points you need before you can give negs. If we can do this, what would YOU guys think would be a good set of karma you need? 10? 100? Throw me some numbers!
3) I hate to even think it's come to this, but what about NO NEGATIVE KARMA? Then, not a single carrot-hungry rabbit could possibly complain. I'd love to hear thoughts on this, LoL. Easiest for us Mods without any question, so don't be shy if you like this idea.
4) And.....THIS ONE IS FOR FUN! .... AE. Yes, you. We can argue until the cows come home about whether CEO's karma function is sooooooooooo vulnerable to major abuse like you say or not, so fuck them homeless cows, and let's take this out of "theoretical" territory....
So, here we go....
Your challenge, using me (or fuck, Stroppy, as he might like this too) as your VICTIM...
You have 24 hours to fuck up our karma as much as you can.
That's it. I claim we have more power on CEO undo ANY abuse better than Facebook, Reddit, YouTube, etc, and we'll see if I can deliver and render your efforts futile.
Is that fair, or do to still think we should can or based on your theoretical doomsday scenarios.
So be cool, everyone, and let's see if the system is as fucked as some allege, or if everyone just needs to relax and have faith in us to make sure it's LESS abused than any other user-generated feedback system.
And remember, it's a new feature on CEO that doesn't even exist as is anywhere else on the planet, and I'm sorry if it's not the godsend every single individual member was exactly hoping for, but we are real trying.
No ego here, and if I REALLY though it was "no good," I'd say fuck it and delete it, but I like it and I don't want to can it so fast just because some think it has potential for abuse.
From Stroppy: "Lurker 'colonistin' - registered since 2014 but never contributed, is now working through my posts and negatively rating them."
We have to agree to disagree, but I don't think 2 random -1 points is fairy classified as someone "working through my posts." I expected to see pages of negative karma, not 2 incidences.
Ok, AE, it's all on you to choose your victim and prove me wrong!
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Re: Lurker colonistin, I've reported you to admin, you're wasting your time
Alright, let's all take a break and breathe because you're all obviously worked up.
**Read this in a calm tone of voice, because that's my intented "tone of voice". I'm not angry, only slightly frustrated (and I mean slightly), and I'm trying to iron out this row between the posters and the mods, because contrary to what people might think if I was really complaining, I actually like you guys.**
But first seriously, everyone calm down. Ready? Good.
Now let me interject with something. While the thread obviously derailed to make it look like SC was complaining about Karma, look at the original post. I bolded the important part, and from this I think it's safe to say it's not about the two karma points.
If SC was concerned about the lost Karma points, he'd be complaining about the lost Karma. Instead, he's reporting a sock to the admins (which actually isn't prohibited by the terms of service), but many forum goers find it at best "poor form". Also, I remember there was something going on with another sock (Russian name poster), so I think it's safe to say it's not a stretch to say he's calling out that person as well.
Now onto the trolls and what have you, you can call me out for complaining, because I am, because I'm honestly frustrated that wankers like ricefarmersdaughter are allowed to continue posting when a fair chunk of the posters here want it permanently banned. I'm also frustrated that when posters are called out and are obvious socks (like the "Russian" poster who can't actually read or speak Russian), nothing is done or even mentioned about.
I know modding is annoying and time consuming (again, I'm a mod myself) but before you accuse us members of complaining too much, there are only certain things us members can do. Being the gatekeepers to registrations and entries is not one of those things. We can give all the negative feedback and report abusive or bad posters all we want, but we can't ban anyone. So as long as the door is kept open, expect people to keep voicing their concerns.
Now personally I don't mind not getting my way, it happens all the time in the world of business... I would however appreciate the mods keeping us informed (a little is okay) of why you're keeping those posters instead of replies like...
Now I'll just chip in my point of view and opinion. Let me make this clear, I'm not saying this angryly, sarcastically, or with any tone of whining because I didn't get my way. I'm saying this as how I think things are being viewed by a large percentage of viewers and posters.
We're all contributors to the forum, but we're not all equal. There are a small percentage of posters who carry the weight of the forum and generate most of the content. It's hard to find frequent posters, so when those members bring up their concerns and/or complaints, common courtesy says pay some attention to them and don't brush them off as whining crybabies who can leave if they don't like it. That's a sure fire way to disillusion members quickly and lose posters as soon as another venue opens up. i.e. like below.
Case in point, I'm trying to point out an obvious flaw in the system that could be exploited...but obviously I hit a sensitive spot here.
I'm just trying to point out things that I see that are a problem and that could be done better. I know how it is to babysit all the time, I really hate it too sometimes and want to pull my hair out...but that's what running a forum is. From mod to mod, don't let your frustration cloud out what genuine contributors are trying to say, because we don't want to bring down the forum, we want to see it become better.
Now in closing, I'll be frank, I'm more confused than anything at this point. I don't know what's going on with the direction of the forum, and I think half of the posters aren't even on the same page. Not even everyone understands what karma is, so we're obviously not in tune with everyone else. I think just a little more direction and communication over a public sticky (maybe, just suggesting) would help us all understand what's going on at the moment, rather than trying to piece together bits and pieces from different threads.
When all is said and done though, I'm pretty sure most of us just want to have a community we can all feel apart of, and that's my intention with writing this. I want to see this thing succeed rather than fall apart.
Here's my feedback, took me a lot of time to think it out and write, so take it for what it's worth.
AE
**Read this in a calm tone of voice, because that's my intented "tone of voice". I'm not angry, only slightly frustrated (and I mean slightly), and I'm trying to iron out this row between the posters and the mods, because contrary to what people might think if I was really complaining, I actually like you guys.**
But first seriously, everyone calm down. Ready? Good.
Now let me interject with something. While the thread obviously derailed to make it look like SC was complaining about Karma, look at the original post. I bolded the important part, and from this I think it's safe to say it's not about the two karma points.
StroppyChops wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:55 pm Lurker 'colonistin' - registered since 2014 but never contributed, is now working through my posts and negatively rating them.
The wanker possibly thinks he's anonymous - anyone else suffering this fool?
If SC was concerned about the lost Karma points, he'd be complaining about the lost Karma. Instead, he's reporting a sock to the admins (which actually isn't prohibited by the terms of service), but many forum goers find it at best "poor form". Also, I remember there was something going on with another sock (Russian name poster), so I think it's safe to say it's not a stretch to say he's calling out that person as well.
Now onto the trolls and what have you, you can call me out for complaining, because I am, because I'm honestly frustrated that wankers like ricefarmersdaughter are allowed to continue posting when a fair chunk of the posters here want it permanently banned. I'm also frustrated that when posters are called out and are obvious socks (like the "Russian" poster who can't actually read or speak Russian), nothing is done or even mentioned about.
I know modding is annoying and time consuming (again, I'm a mod myself) but before you accuse us members of complaining too much, there are only certain things us members can do. Being the gatekeepers to registrations and entries is not one of those things. We can give all the negative feedback and report abusive or bad posters all we want, but we can't ban anyone. So as long as the door is kept open, expect people to keep voicing their concerns.
Now personally I don't mind not getting my way, it happens all the time in the world of business... I would however appreciate the mods keeping us informed (a little is okay) of why you're keeping those posters instead of replies like...
Modding a forum is difficult I know, but a simple explanation informing us posters is easy enough to make. After all, a lot of us contributed a lot of thought and time in our posts too as feedback to what we thought. I think a lot of posters felt shafted and wanted an explanation as to why daughterricefarming was left to his freewill.
Now I'll just chip in my point of view and opinion. Let me make this clear, I'm not saying this angryly, sarcastically, or with any tone of whining because I didn't get my way. I'm saying this as how I think things are being viewed by a large percentage of viewers and posters.
We're all contributors to the forum, but we're not all equal. There are a small percentage of posters who carry the weight of the forum and generate most of the content. It's hard to find frequent posters, so when those members bring up their concerns and/or complaints, common courtesy says pay some attention to them and don't brush them off as whining crybabies who can leave if they don't like it. That's a sure fire way to disillusion members quickly and lose posters as soon as another venue opens up. i.e. like below.
I think a lot of frequent posting members feel ignored but stuck, since nothing is being done about a very obvious troll with multiple usernames. SC called him out, I called him out, and several others have called for their ban, but nothing was done, or at least nothing I saw was done, I might be wrong. Now that's personal opinion on how you want to run things, but if some people complain about the way things are being run, don't tell them they're chronic complainers that can't run their own forum, because that's not the point. The point is, we're (not all of us, but a few) are giving you the feedback on how we think things can be improved, but (and you can hate me for this or not, I do not care), I think the mods are the ones taking it personally as if we're attacking them.frank lee bent wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:35 pm So despite all the crying about hurt feelings over karma points and which troll is having a holiday and which troll is perma banned there must be some decent content in here somewhere. Thanks to the providers of the interesting stuff.
Case in point, I'm trying to point out an obvious flaw in the system that could be exploited...but obviously I hit a sensitive spot here.
General, I like you mate, met you and that lot what...5 years ago? brought free coffee grinds for everyone and had a great time talking and such. I have nothing against you either from the other forum or from here, honest truth. Nothing against OD either, even the "tyrants" from the other forum whom I've mostly met in person as well.General Mackevili wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:42 pmCome on. There is NO user-generated feedback/karma/reputation/like/points system that isn't vulnerable to manipulation.AE86 wrote:I think this thread reflects a very important flaw in the system. One single user can completely destroy an entire user's Karma. i.e. If ONE user disliked 30 of my posts, I'd be in the negative right now. I know code and add-on features are complex and expensive, but this really is a problem I don't think can be overlooked.
If there's a way to "Hide Karma" from displaying on a user's profile but keep the post rating I'm for that, but if not, I'll cast a vote that Karma should be done away with.Spoiler:
I'm just trying to point out things that I see that are a problem and that could be done better. I know how it is to babysit all the time, I really hate it too sometimes and want to pull my hair out...but that's what running a forum is. From mod to mod, don't let your frustration cloud out what genuine contributors are trying to say, because we don't want to bring down the forum, we want to see it become better.
Now in closing, I'll be frank, I'm more confused than anything at this point. I don't know what's going on with the direction of the forum, and I think half of the posters aren't even on the same page. Not even everyone understands what karma is, so we're obviously not in tune with everyone else. I think just a little more direction and communication over a public sticky (maybe, just suggesting) would help us all understand what's going on at the moment, rather than trying to piece together bits and pieces from different threads.
When all is said and done though, I'm pretty sure most of us just want to have a community we can all feel apart of, and that's my intention with writing this. I want to see this thing succeed rather than fall apart.
Here's my feedback, took me a lot of time to think it out and write, so take it for what it's worth.
AE
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Re: Lurker colonistin, I've reported you to admin, you're wasting your time
Ok, I am too drink to even act like I'm not.
Moved to asinine Arena because hey it's hidden from the outside word why not
Tomorrow we can talk again friends thanks all for the thoughts on the matter
Moved to asinine Arena because hey it's hidden from the outside word why not
Tomorrow we can talk again friends thanks all for the thoughts on the matter
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Re: Lurker colonistin, I've reported you to admin, you're wasting your time
So now that you've unlocked the thread to give people the right-of-reply - you actually posted part of a private message? And out of context? That's a dick move - and reminiscent of KiR. Do we call you Peter now?General Mackevili wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:40 pmFrom Stroppy: "Lurker 'colonistin' - registered since 2014 but never contributed, is now working through my posts and negatively rating them."
We have to agree to disagree, but I don't think 2 random -1 points is fairy classified as someone "working through my posts." I expected to see pages of negative karma, not 2 incidences.
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Re: Lurker colonistin, I've reported you to admin, you're wasting your time
Thanks. Yes, all of this.AE86 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:55 pm While the thread obviously derailed to make it look like SC was complaining about Karma, look at the original post. I bolded the important part, and from this I think it's safe to say it's not about the two karma points.
StroppyChops wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:55 pm Lurker 'colonistin' - registered since 2014 but never contributed, is now working through my posts and negatively rating them.
The wanker possibly thinks he's anonymous - anyone else suffering this fool?
If SC was concerned about the lost Karma points, he'd be complaining about the lost Karma. Instead, he's reporting a sock to the admins (which actually isn't prohibited by the terms of service), but many forum goers find it at best "poor form". Also, I remember there was something going on with another sock (Russian name poster), so I think it's safe to say it's not a stretch to say he's calling out that person as well.
...
I think a lot of frequent posting members feel ignored but stuck, since nothing is being done about a very obvious troll with multiple usernames. SC called him out, I called him out, and several others have called for their ban, but nothing was done, or at least nothing I saw was done, I might be wrong. Now that's personal opinion on how you want to run things, but if some people complain about the way things are being run, don't tell them they're chronic complainers that can't run their own forum, because that's not the point. The point is, we're (not all of us, but a few) are giving you the feedback on how we think things can be improved, but (and you can hate me for this or not, I do not care), I think the mods are the ones taking it personally as if we're attacking them.
...
From mod to mod, don't let your frustration cloud out what genuine contributors are trying to say, because we don't want to bring down the forum, we want to see it become better.
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Re: Lurker colonistin, I've reported you to admin, you're wasting your time
We're all tired (or drunk) at this point (except me, I've got hours before I'll run out of energy) but nonetheless let's give this thread and the subject at hand a break.
Call it a day chaps.
Call it a day chaps.
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Re: Lurker colonistin, I've reported you to admin, you're wasting your time
Oh fuck off I've done nothing of the sort and you know that brothaStroppyChops wrote:So now that you've unlocked the thread to give people the right-of-reply - you actually posted part of a private message? And out of context? That's a dick move - and reminiscent of KiR. Do we call you Peter now?General Mackevili wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:40 pmFrom Stroppy: "Lurker 'colonistin' - registered since 2014 but never contributed, is now working through my posts and negatively rating them."
We have to agree to disagree, but I don't think 2 random -1 points is fairy classified as someone "working through my posts." I expected to see pages of negative karma, not 2 incidences.
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Call me Peter if you want but no need to troll me with bullshit accusations. This of shit we don't neef on here and you know it
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Re: Lurker colonistin, I've reported you to admin, you're wasting your time
Oh damn, you're right - that quote was from a public post and not from a report I submitted. You're completely right on this, and I'm completely wrong - I apologise without reservation, it was wrong of me to link this to a KiR reference. I know you're busting a gut trying to give members a great experience, and I appreciate your efforts. I overstepped, made a mistake, and I'm sorry.General Mackevili wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:48 pmOh fuck off I've done nothing of the sort and you know that brothaStroppyChops wrote:
So now that you've unlocked the thread to give people the right-of-reply - you actually posted part of a private message? And out of context? That's a dick move - and reminiscent of KiR. Do we call you Peter now?
Call me Peter if you want but no need to troll me with bullshit accusations. This of shit we don't neef on here and you know it
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Re: Lurker colonistin, I've reported you to admin, you're wasting your time
I think we could all be in a happy place if we imagined what zmth got up to on his ket adventures last night instead of thinking about karma.
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Re: Lurker colonistin, I've reported you to admin, you're wasting your time
but now he is for excessive trolling.taabarang wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:01 am
Is rice farmer's daughter and all of his AKAs banned or not?
frank lee bent wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:03 am
not for the moment.
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