Alright, let's all take a break and breathe because you're all obviously worked up.

**Read this in a calm tone of voice, because that's my intented "tone of voice". I'm not angry, only slightly frustrated (and I mean slightly), and I'm trying to iron out this row between the posters and the mods, because contrary to what people might think if I was really complaining, I actually like you guys.**

But first seriously, everyone calm down. Ready? Good.

Now let me interject with something. While the thread obviously derailed to make it look like SC was complaining about Karma, look at the original post. I bolded the important part, and from this I think it's safe to say it's not about the two karma points.

StroppyChops wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:55 pm Lurker 'colonistin' - registered since 2014 but never contributed, is now working through my posts and negatively rating them.

The wanker possibly thinks he's anonymous - anyone else suffering this fool?

If SC was concerned about the lost Karma points, he'd be complaining about the lost Karma. Instead, he's reporting a sock to the admins (which actually isn't prohibited by the terms of service), but many forum goers find it at best "poor form". Also, I remember there was something going on with another sock (Russian name poster), so I think it's safe to say it's not a stretch to say he's calling out that person as well.

Now onto the trolls and what have you, you can call me out for complaining, because I am, because I'm honestly frustrated that wankers like ricefarmersdaughter are allowed to continue posting when a fair chunk of the posters here want it permanently banned. I'm also frustrated that when posters are called out and are obvious socks (like the "Russian" poster who can't actually read or speak Russian), nothing is done or even mentioned about.

I know modding is annoying and time consuming (again, I'm a mod myself) but before you accuse us members of complaining too much, there are only certain things us members can do. Being the gatekeepers to registrations and entries is not one of those things. We can give all the negative feedback and report abusive or bad posters all we want, but we can't ban anyone. So as long as the door is kept open, expect people to keep voicing their concerns.

Now personally I don't mind not getting my way, it happens all the time in the world of business... I would however appreciate the mods keeping us informed (a little is okay) of why you're keeping those posters instead of replies like...

taabarang wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:01 am Is rice farmer's daughter and all of his AKAs banned or not?

frank lee bent wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:03 am not for the moment.

Modding a forum is difficult I know, but a simple explanation informing us posters is easy enough to make. After all, a lot of us contributed a lot of thought and time in our posts too as feedback to what we thought. I think a lot of posters felt shafted and wanted an explanation as to why daughterricefarming was left to his freewill.


Now I'll just chip in my point of view and opinion. Let me make this clear, I'm not saying this angryly, sarcastically, or with any tone of whining because I didn't get my way. I'm saying this as how I think things are being viewed by a large percentage of viewers and posters.

We're all contributors to the forum, but we're not all equal. There are a small percentage of posters who carry the weight of the forum and generate most of the content. It's hard to find frequent posters, so when those members bring up their concerns and/or complaints, common courtesy says pay some attention to them and don't brush them off as whining crybabies who can leave if they don't like it. That's a sure fire way to disillusion members quickly and lose posters as soon as another venue opens up. i.e. like below.

frank lee bent wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:35 pm So despite all the crying about hurt feelings over karma points and which troll is having a holiday and which troll is perma banned there must be some decent content in here somewhere. Thanks to the providers of the interesting stuff.

I think a lot of frequent posting members feel ignored but stuck, since nothing is being done about a very obvious troll with multiple usernames. SC called him out, I called him out, and several others have called for their ban, but nothing was done, or at least nothing I saw was done, I might be wrong. Now that's personal opinion on how you want to run things, but if some people complain about the way things are being run, don't tell them they're chronic complainers that can't run their own forum, because that's not the point. The point is, we're (not all of us, but a few) are giving you the feedback on how we think things can be improved, but (and you can hate me for this or not, I do not care), I think the mods are the ones taking it personally as if we're attacking them.

Case in point, I'm trying to point out an obvious flaw in the system that could be exploited...but obviously I hit a sensitive spot here.

General Mackevili wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:42 pm

AE86 wrote:I think this thread reflects a very important flaw in the system. One single user can completely destroy an entire user's Karma. i.e. If ONE user disliked 30 of my posts, I'd be in the negative right now. I know code and add-on features are complex and expensive, but this really is a problem I don't think can be overlooked.

If there's a way to "Hide Karma" from displaying on a user's profile but keep the post rating I'm for that, but if not, I'll cast a vote that Karma should be done away with.

Come on. There is NO user-generated feedback/karma/reputation/like/points system that isn't vulnerable to manipulation.

Spoiler:

Think you can get Facebook to remove a "sad face" reaction? No.

Think you can get Reddit to remove a down vote? No.

YouTube to remove a thumbs down? No.

Get CEO to remove negative KARMA points? Um, well yeah, we can do that, and have, in some cases of abuse.

So how is CEO's karma function to flawed compared to other systems that CAN'T even be corrected when noticed?

No system which allows USERS to give other users feedback is perfect, but ours seems as good as it can possibly get, as we can and do remedy cases of abuse.

Jesus, I can't believe we even have to address this.

Stroppy got -2 karma points, and I see no reason to do anything. I don't see that as abuse. They perp has given good karma to others, and Stroppy received -1 two times. Hell, he could have given -3 each time, but was very modest instead.

So, please continue to report abuse, but don't get too worked up over it. As stated before, you won't be auto-banned or anything, so it's really nothing to sweat.

General, I like you mate, met you and that lot what...5 years ago? brought free coffee grinds for everyone and had a great time talking and such. I have nothing against you either from the other forum or from here, honest truth. Nothing against OD either, even the "tyrants" from the other forum whom I've mostly met in person as well.

I'm just trying to point out things that I see that are a problem and that could be done better. I know how it is to babysit all the time, I really hate it too sometimes and want to pull my hair out...but that's what running a forum is. From mod to mod, don't let your frustration cloud out what genuine contributors are trying to say, because we don't want to bring down the forum, we want to see it become better.

Now in closing, I'll be frank, I'm more confused than anything at this point. I don't know what's going on with the direction of the forum, and I think half of the posters aren't even on the same page. Not even everyone understands what karma is, so we're obviously not in tune with everyone else. I think just a little more direction and communication over a public sticky (maybe, just suggesting) would help us all understand what's going on at the moment, rather than trying to piece together bits and pieces from different threads.

When all is said and done though, I'm pretty sure most of us just want to have a community we can all feel apart of, and that's my intention with writing this. I want to see this thing succeed rather than fall apart.

Here's my feedback, took me a lot of time to think it out and write, so take it for what it's worth.

AE

General Mackevili wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:40 pmFrom Stroppy: "Lurker 'colonistin' - registered since 2014 but never contributed, is now working through my posts and negatively rating them."

We have to agree to disagree, but I don't think 2 random -1 points is fairy classified as someone "working through my posts." I expected to see pages of negative karma, not 2 incidences.

So now that you've unlocked the thread to give people the right-of-reply - you actually posted part of a private message? And out of context? That's a dick move - and reminiscent of KiR. Do we call you Peter now?

AE86 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:55 pm While the thread obviously derailed to make it look like SC was complaining about Karma, look at the original post. I bolded the important part, and from this I think it's safe to say it's not about the two karma points.

StroppyChops wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:55 pm Lurker 'colonistin' - registered since 2014 but never contributed, is now working through my posts and negatively rating them.

The wanker possibly thinks he's anonymous - anyone else suffering this fool?

If SC was concerned about the lost Karma points, he'd be complaining about the lost Karma. Instead, he's reporting a sock to the admins (which actually isn't prohibited by the terms of service), but many forum goers find it at best "poor form". Also, I remember there was something going on with another sock (Russian name poster), so I think it's safe to say it's not a stretch to say he's calling out that person as well.

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I think a lot of frequent posting members feel ignored but stuck, since nothing is being done about a very obvious troll with multiple usernames. SC called him out, I called him out, and several others have called for their ban, but nothing was done, or at least nothing I saw was done, I might be wrong. Now that's personal opinion on how you want to run things, but if some people complain about the way things are being run, don't tell them they're chronic complainers that can't run their own forum, because that's not the point. The point is, we're (not all of us, but a few) are giving you the feedback on how we think things can be improved, but (and you can hate me for this or not, I do not care), I think the mods are the ones taking it personally as if we're attacking them.

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From mod to mod, don't let your frustration cloud out what genuine contributors are trying to say, because we don't want to bring down the forum, we want to see it become better.

Thanks. Yes, all of this.

We're all tired (or drunk) at this point (except me, I've got hours before I'll run out of energy) but nonetheless let's give this thread and the subject at hand a break.

Call it a day chaps.

General Mackevili wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:48 pm

StroppyChops wrote:
So now that you've unlocked the thread to give people the right-of-reply - you actually posted part of a private message? And out of context? That's a dick move - and reminiscent of KiR. Do we call you Peter now?

Oh fuck off I've done nothing of the sort and you know that brotha

Call me Peter if you want but no need to troll me with bullshit accusations. This of shit we don't neef on here and you know it

Oh damn, you're right - that quote was from a public post and not from a report I submitted. You're completely right on this, and I'm completely wrong - I apologise without reservation, it was wrong of me to link this to a KiR reference. I know you're busting a gut trying to give members a great experience, and I appreciate your efforts. I overstepped, made a mistake, and I'm sorry.

I think we could all be in a happy place if we imagined what zmth got up to on his ket adventures last night instead of thinking about karma.

taabarang wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:01 am
Is rice farmer's daughter and all of his AKAs banned or not?
frank lee bent wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:03 am
not for the moment.

but now he is for excessive trolling.