How did we get here?

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Wow, that's a pretty mad article, I've not seen posts from Gab before. It appears to just be an extension of 4chan/8chan.

Really though it explains how the situation is now, not how we got here. Also, I'm not sure we should catagorise eveyone who has differing ideas about Putin and the situation in Ukraine as hardcore QAnon adherants such as those quoted in that blog. There is surely a spectrum of beliefs on this subject, inferring it's possible to rationalise with some?
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down_time wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:51 am
ItWasntMe wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:41 am I suppose that Russian state controlled media is not considered MSM because it often oppose what's being said in the west. Thus if you know that the western MSM is lying the Russian media starts looking a whole lot better.
Extending that logic how can, for example, CNN and Fox News be both considered mainstream media. They often, if not always air opposing views.
Doesn't the MAGA crowd favor some MSM media though since they are more leaning to the right in how they portray the world?

Cause that's where all this shit starts no, left vs right? QAnon is a right-wing thing and the enemies are leftist marxist sheeple that want to take everything you have away from you, and also they are pedophiles and cannibals. Putin in this scenario is a straight shooter that doesn't put up with the leftist globalist.

Or have I misunderstood these movements and how they overlap?
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down_time wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:30 pm
Wow, that's a pretty mad article, I've not seen posts from Gab before. It appears to just be an extension of 4chan/8chan.

Really though it explains how the situation is now, not how we got here. Also, I'm not sure we should catagorise eveyone who has differing ideas about Putin and the situation in Ukraine as hardcore QAnon adherants such as those quoted in that blog. There is surely a spectrum of beliefs on this subject, inferring it's possible to rationalise with some?
The Q-style posters here all seem to believe the exact same things though, which can't be a coincidence. Maybe they are all sock-puppets of one poster?
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ItWasntMe wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:39 pm ...the enemies are leftist marxist sheeple that want to take everything you have away from you...
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How does that explain #1, #8, & #9 on this list?
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John Bingham wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:39 pm ...Maybe they are all sock-puppets of one poster?
I'm reluctant to believe that is the case tbh
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down_time wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:51 pm
ItWasntMe wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:39 pm ...the enemies are leftist marxist sheeple that want to take everything you have away from you...
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How does that explain #1, #8, & #9 on this list?
That comment was regarding QAnon. I have no idea who made that list or what supports their beliefs. Nor if QAnon choose not to support certain republicans.
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In the blog post linked by John Bingham it claims this is a post on Gab by Ron Watkins a QAnon "thought leader" explaining why followers should be supporting Putin (I think), it's quite convoluted.
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down_time wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:04 pm In the blog post linked by John Bingham it claims this is a post on Gab by Ron Watkins a QAnon "thought leader" explaining why followers should be supporting Putin (I think), it's quite convoluted.
I see, interesting. I suppose there are part (maybe even a big part?) of the QAnon crowd who identifies with the movement as in Trump is cleaning up in Washington.

In this scenario the republican party is but a vehicle for Trump's ambitions and does not exclude earlier republican presidents from crucifixion.

But I still tend to see the movement as right-wing, maybe that's wrong I don't know, feel free to inform me.
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ItWasntMe wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:10 pm In this scenario the republican party is but a vehicle for Trump's ambitions and does not exclude earlier republican presidents from crucifixion.

But I still tend to see the movement as right-wing, maybe that's wrong I don't know, feel free to inform me.
I would tend to agree with that.
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On this week’s special conversational edition, Matt Grossman talked to Joseph Uscinski of the University of Miami and Adam Enders of the University of Louisville about their research on conspiracy beliefs. They talk about several recent articles they’ve published together with co-authors, including American Politics in Two Dimensions in The American Journal of Political Science, and Why Do People Believe COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories? in the Harvard Kennedy School Misinformation Review.

They both find little evidence for a rise in conspiracy theory beliefs due to the pandemic. Instead, today’s conspiracy theories draw on a long tradition of similar views. And they both say that although we are prone to noticing conspiracy theories on the political right, conspiracy beliefs do not align with the right or the left.
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Once a majority of the people have decided if the blindfold is indeed red or blue or possibly purple, will people address the issue of a small swarm of bullets heading toward our collective chest.?
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