Is CEO Repeating The Mistakes of That Other Site

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Re: Is CEO Repeating The Mistakes of That Other Site

Postby Joon » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:30 am

FreeSocrates! wrote:
kiwiincambodia wrote:IMHO let the posters vent and the General and OD should just stay out of it.

If you have called a truce between board owners, honor it. However let your forum members have a say.
I agree. Have no problem with these threads being moved here, but I hope CEO stays true to the ideals of No Censorship and Transparency.
What about people who get annoyed by your vendetta? Are they free to speak out whenever you're starting a pettiness thread?
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Re: Is CEO Repeating The Mistakes of That Other Site

Postby Soi Dog » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:52 am

Joon wrote:
FreeSocrates! wrote:
kiwiincambodia wrote:IMHO let the posters vent and the General and OD should just stay out of it.

If you have called a truce between board owners, honor it. However let your forum members have a say.
I agree. Have no problem with these threads being moved here, but I hope CEO stays true to the ideals of No Censorship and Transparency.
What about people who get annoyed by your vendetta? Are they free to speak out whenever you're starting a pettiness thread?
I don't recall anyone on CEO telling anyone else not to post harsh criticism of those of us with petty vendettas against another website owner. Several posters here already have criticized us, many times. You are also free to slam us all you want. But please don't try to claim some sort of moral high ground in doing so. Your critical posts are not much different than FreeSocrates' critical posts, just directed at a different target.

There are only a few threads on CEO in which these negative views about K440 are posted. You therefore know which few threads to avoid if you don't want to read any more such posts.

Fair?
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Re: Is CEO Repeating The Mistakes of That Other Site

Postby vladimir » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:06 am

Alf Stewart wrote:I've also noticed that Vladimir seems to be posting lots of puns. Whoever could have envisaged this?
Yes, he's taken a totally new direction from supporting rich bankers and lawyers, this new venture into puns is refreshing.

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Re: Is CEO Repeating The Mistakes of That Other Site

Postby Joon » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:27 am

Soi Dog wrote:
Joon wrote:
FreeSocrates! wrote:
kiwiincambodia wrote:IMHO let the posters vent and the General and OD should just stay out of it.

If you have called a truce between board owners, honor it. However let your forum members have a say.
I agree. Have no problem with these threads being moved here, but I hope CEO stays true to the ideals of No Censorship and Transparency.
What about people who get annoyed by your vendetta? Are they free to speak out whenever you're starting a pettiness thread?
I don't recall anyone on CEO telling anyone else not to post harsh criticism of those of us with petty vendettas against another website owner. Several posters here already have criticized us, many times. You are also free to slam us all you want. But please don't try to claim some sort of moral high ground in doing so. Your critical posts are not much different than FreeSocrates' critical posts, just directed at a different target.

There are only a few threads on CEO in which these negative views about K440 are posted. You therefore know which few threads to avoid if you don't want to read any more such posts.

Fair?
I'm annoyed when I see people spewing fallacious logic. That's what get to me. And while I very often think twice before posting, I'm not the kind to look the other way or pretend something doesn't exist when I'm annoyed.
So you telling me "don't like it, don't read it" is precisely against my freedom to express my opinion.

Can you live with that?
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Re: Is CEO Repeating The Mistakes of That Other Site

Postby Soi Dog » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:35 am

Joon wrote: I'm annoyed when I see people spewing fallacious logic. That's what get to me. And while I very often think twice before posting, I'm not the kind to look the other way or pretend something doesn't exist when I'm annoyed.
So you telling me "don't like it, don't read it" is precisely against my freedom to express my opinion.

Can you live with that?
Didn't you just suggest to FreeSocrates that he should stop posting about a personal KiR vendetta on CEO because that annoys others? That is against his freedom to express his opinion. What's the difference? I can live with you expressing your opinion. Can't you live with him doing the same?

If I was annoyed with posts and threads about raising chickens and ducks, and made multiple complaints about having those threads on CEO, would it be outrageous for you to tell me to stop reading the Barnyard Section since it bothered me so much?
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Re: Is CEO Repeating The Mistakes of That Other Site

Postby Milord » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:43 am

I don't have much left to say about it but the benefit of speaking out has had the desired effect of reducing fear of bans and allowed management to reflect on its policy of openness.
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Re: Is CEO Repeating The Mistakes of That Other Site

Postby Joon » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:54 am

Soi Dog wrote:
Joon wrote: I'm annoyed when I see people spewing fallacious logic. That's what get to me. And while I very often think twice before posting, I'm not the kind to look the other way or pretend something doesn't exist when I'm annoyed.
So you telling me "don't like it, don't read it" is precisely against my freedom to express my opinion.

Can you live with that?
Didn't you just suggest to FreeSocrates that he should stop posting about a personal KiR vendetta on CEO because that annoys others? That is against his freedom to express his opinion. What's the difference? I can live with you expressing your opinion. Can't you live with him doing the same?

If I was annoyed with posts and threads about raising chickens and ducks, and made multiple complaints about having those threads on CEO, would it be outrageous for you to tell me to stop reading the Barnyard Section since it bothered me so much?
I didn't suggest that he stops, I asked whether people who are annoyed by it are free to speak up as well. See the difference?
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Re: Is CEO Repeating The Mistakes of That Other Site

Postby giblet » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:59 am

Soi Dog wrote:If I was annoyed with posts and threads about raising chickens and ducks, and made multiple complaints about having those threads on CEO, would it be outrageous for you to tell me to stop reading the Barnyard Section since it bothered me so much?
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Re: Is CEO Repeating The Mistakes of That Other Site

Postby Soi Dog » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:03 am

Joon wrote: I didn't suggest that he stops, I asked whether people who are annoyed by it are free to speak up as well. See the difference?
Here is what you wrote on another thread about this issue:
Joon wrote:Socrates, you just sound as bitter and vindictive.
KiR has been silent in the last few days. He's either busy or taking some time off from K440.
K440 managing folks made it clear they don't want a feud. And CEO management agrees with that. You should follow their lead.
Okay, "suggest" was a wrong word, but you are definitely implying that he should let the issue drop, ie. stop posting about it. Semantics.

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Re: Is CEO Repeating The Mistakes of That Other Site

Postby Joon » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:09 am

That's what I did in that other thread. In the meantime, posters have clearly said they are not bound by what the admins on both sides agreed to. I'm not bound to shut up then.
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