AMERICA should give ALASKA back to the RUSSIANS

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AMERICA should give ALASKA back to the RUSSIANS

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America was "cheating" back in 1867 and it is still cheating today.
Seward's Folly. On March 30, 1867, Secretary of State William H. Seward agreed to purchase Alaska from Russia for 7.2 million dollars. The only problem was
that Russia did not agree. The money was just a bribe to the czar of Russia. He
had protested that he did not have the power to sell part of the country.

So when America appoints an ALL POWERFULL government workers like an
energy czar or a drug czar they are continuing the fraud of claiming that the
Russian czar had the authority to sell part of Russia. He didn't.

Admiral Seward threatened to blockade Russia and starve the Russians to death.
That is not how you negotiate an "agreement". And paying two cents per acre
is not a purchase. It is theft.

After Russia beat the german nazis in world war 2, America thought that Russia
would be coming to take back Alaska. So the American military built the Alaska highway.
Canada was complicit in this Highway of Guilt.

The American newspapers of the time were government controlled. Seward was able to tell the Russian czar that there was a great rage at spending so much money on a folly. Rather they would go to war and kill all the Russians, rather than pay even more money than the 2 cents per acre.
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So does that also mean that they want the parts of California and Hawaii that were included in the deal back?

Your continuous anti-American rhetoric is kind of funny, and boring.
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I guess Kaliningrad will be returned to the Germans or the Poles under these considerations, too? Especially, so, given that its current alignment was determined by a post war settlement with a state that no longer exists.

Quite rightly, too, the Alsace region can be reassigned to Germany under an ongoing reunification program. One which wouldn’t have occurred had Napoleon and a few of the French kings not been such cheeky chappies for a few hundred years.
Actually, let’s separate France and Normandy, and put that lot to rights, too.

As an academic exercise, it’s an interesting topic. Curious though, that the main belligerents of these rationales have the Americans playing the Bad Guys, and the Russians the under dog, the oppressed, the wronged party.
If one must pull on that thread, and pull the seams apart, we need to know how far back are we going? It seems rather selfish to consider only modern Russia’s historic interests when the likes of Asterix the Gaul got something of a bloody nose from those olden day Italians, the Romans.

And what of the Kurils?
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The only problem was
that Russia did not agree. The money was just a bribe to the czar of Russia. He
had protested that he did not have the power to sell part of the country.

So when America appoints an ALL POWERFULL government workers like an
energy czar or a drug czar they are continuing the fraud of claiming that the
Russian czar had the authority to sell part of Russia. He didn't.
Nobody ever asked the Russian serfs for their opinion as it is irrelevant. The only opinion that mattered was the Tsars'. Just like it is now and always has been. Shut up and do what you are told now.
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Doc67 wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 8:57 am Image
False advertising, old boy. It does no do what it says on the tin. At most, it just makes the critters change their socks.
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ok

So if someone doesn't agree with the founding fathers separating from Great Britain what should they do, oh wise one?
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Darkcel wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 9:18 am ok

So if someone doesn't agree with the founding fathers separating from Great Britain what should they do, oh wise one?
Who, me?
Them pesky colonials should have been delivered a decent drubbing, and putting back in their box. If nought else, you can blame the second amendment on Mad George.
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Kenr wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 8:10 am So does that also mean that they want the parts of California and Hawaii that were included in the deal back?

Your continuous anti-American rhetoric is kind of funny, and boring.
You must have communist blood.
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cabron wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 9:25 am
Kenr wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 8:10 am So does that also mean that they want the parts of California and Hawaii that were included in the deal back?

Your continuous anti-American rhetoric is kind of funny, and boring.
You must have communist blood.
And why is that?
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