AMERICA should give ALASKA back to the RUSSIANS

David Gordon · Post by **David Gordon** » Mon May 15, 2023 1:28 am

Kenr wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 1:02 am
David Gordon wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:38 pm
John Bingham wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:25 pm Well you never make it clear where you live but either way your argument about Alaska and Ukraine is ridiculous garbage.
John do you know how to have an exchange of ideas without being so condescending and inflammatory? Yes people have differing opinions and I am free to express mine and I did. Nothing is cut and dried there’s layers and nuance. Open up your mind a bit and also stop being such a curmudgeon.
You need to go back and check some of the other shit you have said to people on other threads before you criticize someone for being condescending and inflammatory. Because now you’re being a hypocrite.

Show me. I may have some controversial ideas and I call it straight, but I don’t usually attack people. A few times I have pointed out that the poster says one thing and does another i.e. they were being overly judgemental of others and not very introspective of the log in their own eye.

Kenr · Post by **Kenr** » Mon May 15, 2023 1:34 am

David Gordon wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 1:28 am
Kenr wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 1:02 am
David Gordon wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:38 pm
John Bingham wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:25 pm Well you never make it clear where you live but either way your argument about Alaska and Ukraine is ridiculous garbage.
John do you know how to have an exchange of ideas without being so condescending and inflammatory? Yes people have differing opinions and I am free to express mine and I did. Nothing is cut and dried there’s layers and nuance. Open up your mind a bit and also stop being such a curmudgeon.
You need to go back and check some of the other shit you have said to people on other threads before you criticize someone for being condescending and inflammatory. Because now you’re being a hypocrite.
Show me. I may have some controversial ideas and I call it straight, but I don’t usually attack people. A few times I have pointed out that the poster says one thing and does another i.e. they were being overly judgemental of others and not very introspective of the log in their own eye.

Call it straight? The US didn’t go to Russia and tell them to sell it. They didn’t take it. Russia wanted to sell Alaska to the United States. So your claim has nothing to do with calling it straight, it’s a lie because there’s nothing factual about it.

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Mon May 15, 2023 9:21 am

David Gordon wrote:It’s like sending the cheerleaders into a fight between a wheelchair bound mentally handicapped person and a WWF fighter cheering them on while tying up and taping their gloves and putting in their mouth piece while telling them they are gonna slay and reminding them they have all the medical support and extra helmets and gloves on standby - yet not intervening while he’s being pummelled.

So Ukraine is the wheelchair bound mentally handicapped and Russia is the WWF fighter? Ukraine hasn’t fallen and Russia is considering reviving T-55s to the battlefield.

Alaska belongs to the US not because of some ‘buffer’ idea. It’s a US state, not a buffer zone.

World War I was a powder keg of secret alliances, and other issues that was waiting to go off. It could have happened a lot earlier except for Teddy Roosevelt. He used to US to keep the peace. He negotiated peace treaties and impartial military might to prevent the wr. Similar to what the UN does today.

Sorry, lots of threads.

David Gordon · Post by **David Gordon** » Mon May 15, 2023 6:10 pm

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 9:21 am
David Gordon wrote:It’s like sending the cheerleaders into a fight between a wheelchair bound mentally handicapped person and a WWF fighter cheering them on while tying up and taping their gloves and putting in their mouth piece while telling them they are gonna slay and reminding them they have all the medical support and extra helmets and gloves on standby - yet not intervening while he’s being pummelled.
So Ukraine is the wheelchair bound mentally handicapped and Russia is the WWF fighter? Ukraine hasn’t fallen and Russia is considering reviving T-55s to the battlefield.

Alaska belongs to the US not because of some ‘buffer’ idea. It’s a US state, not a buffer zone.

World War I was a powder keg of secret alliances, and other issues that was waiting to go off. It could have happened a lot earlier except for Teddy Roosevelt. He used to US to keep the peace. He negotiated peace treaties and impartial military might to prevent the wr. Similar to what the UN does today.

Sorry, lots of threads.

just my opinions of course

David Gordon · Post by **David Gordon** » Mon May 15, 2023 6:13 pm

Only a fool would presume to know exactly what a person means or believes when they post 49 words on a vast topic such as this. To be properly understood would require a dissertation of 50 pages with all sorts of qualifiers and explanations which is not appropriate here and even if it was it would receive an exasperated tl/dr response.

Ghostwriter · Post by **Ghostwriter** » Mon May 15, 2023 8:34 pm

And what about the natives, should they pass and be skipped as rightful owners of the place ? :stir:

phuketrichard · Post by **phuketrichard** » Mon May 15, 2023 8:45 pm

Ghostwriter wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:34 pm And what about the natives, should they pass and be skipped as rightful owners of the place ?

No more so than most of American natives of nearly the whole country

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Mon May 15, 2023 10:11 pm

Ghostwriter wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:34 pm And what about the natives, should they pass and be skipped as rightful owners of the place ?

There were barely any natives left after the Russians decimated them.

Rather than hunting the marine life themselves, the Sibero-Russian promyshlenniki forced the Aleuts to do the work for them, often by taking hostage family-members in exchange for hunted seal-furs. This pattern of colonial exploitation resembled some of the promyshlenniki practices in their expansion into Siberia and the Russian Far East. As word spread of the potential riches in furs, competition among Russian companies increased and a large number of Aleuts were apparently enserfed.

As the animal populations declined, the Aleuts, already too dependent on the new barter-economy fostered by the Russian fur-trade, were increasingly coerced into taking greater and greater risks in the highly dangerous waters of the North Pacific to hunt for more otter. As the Shelekhov-Golikov Company of 1783-1799 developed a monopoly, its use of skirmishes and violent incidents turned into systematic violence as a tool of colonial exploitation of the indigenous people. When the Aleutian serfs revolted and won some victories, the promyshlenniki retaliated, killing many and destroying their boats and hunting gear, leaving them no means of survival. The most devastating effects came from disease: during the first two generations (1741-1759 & 1781-1799) of Sibero-Russian promyshlenniki contact, 80 percent of the Aleut population died from Eurasian infectious diseases; these were by then endemic among Eurasians, but the Aleuts had no immunity against the new diseases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_America

Ghostwriter · Post by **Ghostwriter** » Mon May 15, 2023 10:22 pm

Aaah, give it back to the bears then ^^

SternAAlbifrons · Post by **SternAAlbifrons** » Tue May 16, 2023 5:41 pm

Go on!
The Alaskans deserve it.
So do the Americans.
So do the Russians. (even if they do get the rough end of the stick)

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