Cambodia's future transportation
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Re: Cambodia's future transportation
I'm not an engineer, but since PP is sitting on wetlands, a skytrain seems to be a more practical idea than an underground system. And yes, a network of public transport for PP needs to be looked at now before it gets worse.rogerrabbit wrote:PP will be such a traffic nightmare in 10-15 years if something is not done in near future about the public transport. Pollution etc. will be so bad that those who now own the land central area, might not even want to live there. And even if they pay "well" for the people for the land, it would still come cheaper than metro. Metro is extremely expensive to build. Expecially in place like PP. And of course those roads could be build in air, like skytrain.table42 wrote:"Own seperate roads with stops/stations. Much cheaper option..."
Of course it is. It costs next to nothing to throw poor people off their land.
There are more and more people migrating to PP from the countryside, so the PP traffic problem is only going to increase with time. More people have cars now. Better look to the future. It is the poor who would most benefit from a cheap public transport system, don't you think ?
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transport around town has certainly increased in price in line with the congestion.
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'Better look to the future. It is the poor who would most benefit from a cheap public transport system, don't you think ?"
What future? The population is increasing and these fools all worship material tokens of wealth such as cars and motos, yes even the poor. Fuck,look at the roads-you're dreaming
What future? The population is increasing and these fools all worship material tokens of wealth such as cars and motos, yes even the poor. Fuck,look at the roads-you're dreaming
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Another thing that would take cars, moto's off the overloaded roads in river transport. The City Bus from the night market to Takhmau takes, 1 1/2 hour to 2 hours . In a direct line it is only 12 km. Time to start planning for a fast ''supercat '' passenger and moto service.
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that is a great idea, the rivers are so neglected by us despite being the main feature of the city
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Yes this is very true, and I have often been wondering why there is no water bus type transport yet in PP. It would be much faster than taking scooter from other end of river to other.Duncan wrote:Another thing that would take cars, moto's off the overloaded roads in river transport. The City Bus from the night market to Takhmau takes, 1 1/2 hour to 2 hours . In a direct line it is only 12 km. Time to start planning for a fast ''supercat '' passenger and moto service.
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Bangkok was built on a swamp and they have a subway. Both the subway and skytrain idea won't happen in the near future unless some other country finances it. The powers that be like things just the way they are. Some more flyovers. The streets should have dedicated turn lanes with raised dividers, not traffic lanes that become turn lanes at intersections, ban sidewalk crowding by business's. There is a sidewalk, its made to be walked on not sell things or be a restaurant's lounge area. Police enforcement of traffic rules and not as a revenue source.(fines that go to the city, not in police pockets.) A couple of the main north/south, east/west street that are banned for motos/tuk-tuks (enforced!) and have dedicated bus lanes. Motors made to wear different colored vests for different area's like in Bangkok and pay an annual fee for the vests/licenses. More bus's, more routes, better schedules, route markers, dedicated bus stops with covers for the rainy season, new bus's not some other countries hand-me-downs and educate the public to use the bus's. Movable "jersey" barriers on main streets that can be moved by a dedicated machine for rush hours to give three lanes one way, one lane the other way. Strict parking enforcement.
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I think we need Bangkok style elevated expressways, with no motos, no tuk tuks, no vendors, and no trucks over a certain size.
The elevated expressway can start from the Monivong bridge in the south and fly over the top of Monivong Blvd and another above street 271. On and Off ramps at Mao Tse Toung, then at Sihanouk and another near Central Market/Confederation De la Russie (is that right? the road to the airport). The Monivong expressway could go all the way to Chrouy Changvar bridge thus allowing once again the ability to travel the length of the city in 5 to 10 minutes. The 271 expressway will have On/Off ramps at Steung Meanchey flyover, then again where Kampuchea Krom Blvd and the airport road meet, then continue into Sen Sok.
That's just for starters.
Next, proper river ferries. From several points on the city side (Cambodiana/Koh Pich, Night market area, and one north of Chrouy Changvar bridge. Across the river to a couple of spots directly opposite the city, then around the corner (on the Mekong) another Chrouy Changvar peninsula stop, then upstream to Prek Leap. A stop at that village across the way from Koh Pich, and also as Duncan (?) mentioned stops south at Takmao, etc.
Ferry stops would also become part of an extended bus service to the existing bus loops.
If those ideas fail, then I propose jet-packs for all Phnom Penh residents.
The elevated expressway can start from the Monivong bridge in the south and fly over the top of Monivong Blvd and another above street 271. On and Off ramps at Mao Tse Toung, then at Sihanouk and another near Central Market/Confederation De la Russie (is that right? the road to the airport). The Monivong expressway could go all the way to Chrouy Changvar bridge thus allowing once again the ability to travel the length of the city in 5 to 10 minutes. The 271 expressway will have On/Off ramps at Steung Meanchey flyover, then again where Kampuchea Krom Blvd and the airport road meet, then continue into Sen Sok.
That's just for starters.
Next, proper river ferries. From several points on the city side (Cambodiana/Koh Pich, Night market area, and one north of Chrouy Changvar bridge. Across the river to a couple of spots directly opposite the city, then around the corner (on the Mekong) another Chrouy Changvar peninsula stop, then upstream to Prek Leap. A stop at that village across the way from Koh Pich, and also as Duncan (?) mentioned stops south at Takmao, etc.
Ferry stops would also become part of an extended bus service to the existing bus loops.
If those ideas fail, then I propose jet-packs for all Phnom Penh residents.
Re: Phnom Penh Airport Train Plan Being Studied by Royal Railways.
The gov't is unlikely to build any elevated expressways because that would require thousands of evictions. The best you'll get is a series of overpasses bypassing the traffic lights.
If you're wondering what the city might look like in the near future ask JICA. It seems to have more interest in the viability of Phnom Penh than the CPP does.
https://www.cambodiadaily.com/news/gove ... on-112568/
If you're wondering what the city might look like in the near future ask JICA. It seems to have more interest in the viability of Phnom Penh than the CPP does.
https://www.cambodiadaily.com/news/gove ... on-112568/
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Re: Cambodia's future transportation
JICA's masterplan
I think they should pedestrianise the roads around psar thmei (central market) and build some multi-story car parks on the surrounding roads. This would open up space for hundreds of additional market stalls and dozens of trees. If the authorities promoted the area and convinced the boutiques, fashion shops, etc. to relocate there from St 240 and Sihanouk bld it could be a great shopping destination rather than another congested and polluted headache. If a developer built a department store between psar thmei and sorya that would integrate the shopping districts and the bus stops could be moved closer, too. It's a short detour from the current routes on Monivong and Russian Federation.
Develop river transport as well. Run a passenger service to Takhmau and allow freight and goods to be delivered to riverside businesses and markets by boat until 3PM. After 3 clear the river of freight so people can enjoy the park.
Build a park on Boeung Kak and a bus station in the corner near the train station. Set up a bus and bicycle only road running through the park to allow a quick and reliable route between Toul Kork and Wat Phnom.
Rebuild all the markets with underground car parks. It doesn't matter if they flood because 90% of shoppers go to the market in the morning and nobody goes anywhere when it rains.
I think they should pedestrianise the roads around psar thmei (central market) and build some multi-story car parks on the surrounding roads. This would open up space for hundreds of additional market stalls and dozens of trees. If the authorities promoted the area and convinced the boutiques, fashion shops, etc. to relocate there from St 240 and Sihanouk bld it could be a great shopping destination rather than another congested and polluted headache. If a developer built a department store between psar thmei and sorya that would integrate the shopping districts and the bus stops could be moved closer, too. It's a short detour from the current routes on Monivong and Russian Federation.
Develop river transport as well. Run a passenger service to Takhmau and allow freight and goods to be delivered to riverside businesses and markets by boat until 3PM. After 3 clear the river of freight so people can enjoy the park.
Build a park on Boeung Kak and a bus station in the corner near the train station. Set up a bus and bicycle only road running through the park to allow a quick and reliable route between Toul Kork and Wat Phnom.
Rebuild all the markets with underground car parks. It doesn't matter if they flood because 90% of shoppers go to the market in the morning and nobody goes anywhere when it rains.
Scarier than malaria.
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