General Mackevili wrote: telephoneoperator wrote:
General Mackevili wrote:
You say he's a "scammer." What's the scam here, or has he just been unable to pay?
Inability to pay *is* exactly the scam. Interesting to see some people coming out in defence of an entitled thug who likes to throw his weight around.
I don't see anyone defending him (well, maybe Jons, but he seems to think it's no big deal to not pay debts on time).
My point is I've never heard of a "SCAM" where the person gets your money/goods and then AFTERWARDS gives you cash and a computer. Have you?
To me, it seems like Harry Spice (is that even his real name?) had no intention to pay the entire sum of money owed to Kumar from day one. As Kumar has stated above, the first tranche of cash payment came through only after the first week had passed, with much effort being exerted on the part of the proprietor. After several more days, Harry decides to come over to the shop in order to deposit a "shitty old laptop" (as collateral, I assume?) and then attempts to impress upon the proprietor the dearness of the object. Kumar, apparently took custody of the laptop assuming that Harry was looking for a buyer (correct me if I'm wrong here). A month passes, and after several notifications in good faith from Kumar asking Harry to compensate him for the purchase he made several weeks ago, Harry continues to make excuses and avoids meeting Kumar. Frustrated with the lack of progress, Kumar proceeds to publicise his experience with Harry as a scam on Facebook.
scam, n., a fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
fraud, n., a deception practiced in order to induce another to give up possession of property or surrender a right.
fraud (legal), the term 'fraud' is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. [Fraud may also include an omission or intentional failure to state material facts, knowledge of which would be necessary to make other statements not misleading.]
Harry made a purchase with the vendor on credit promising to pay the entire sum of money. He ended up partially compensating the vendor and deposited a collateral after a week of hard dunning notices. This collateral had little to no value for Kumar. Kumar acted on the basis of a good faith belief in Harry's credit-worthiness. He went as far as sending out repeated reminders to Harry which were conveniently ignored. In fact, Harry chose to respond to the vendor as and when he found convenient, having little concern as to the state of business of the proprietor. He chose to show up only once Kumar warned him that he would expose him publicly were he not to make good on his promise of paying the remainder of the amount. As is evident from the video, Harry chose to act like a thug, a low-life, a bottom-feeder and a common criminal assaulting the proprietor in front of his wife and another family member.
Harry's actions seem to fit well within the definition of "fraud" reproduced above. In addition to this, he also ought to be charged with battery and criminal assault. Not only should he be made to pay the remainder of the sum owed to Kumar, he should be made to compensate Kumar for the injuries (both mental and physical) suffered as a result of this assault. Once these debts have been settled, he ought to be deported to his home country.