Kuroneko wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:07 pm

frank lee bent wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:05 pm Mr Trump is doing what he said he would do.
He is going to cut the gordian knot of the two Koreas, and force Russia to decide to maintain the status quo or opt for change.
In case anyone wonders, I am not a fan.

Look how old the Korean war is.
China will also have to decide.
Trump is fully capable of using nukes.

I had a friend that fought there in 1950, and like my father who fought at Kohima in 1945, the battle at chosin was an epic and often forgot battle:

"In the winter of 1950, 15,000 U.S. Soldiers and Marines were surrounded and trapped by an overwhelming force of communist Chinese soldiers in the frozen mountains of North Korea. Facing impossible odds, the men fought 78 miles to freedom and saved the lives of 98,000 civilian refugees."

I always like to turn over the page and see what is written on the other side. Be interesting to see the version told by communist Chinese soldiers.

Duncan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:38 pm

Kuroneko wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:07 pm

frank lee bent wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:05 pm Mr Trump is doing what he said he would do.
He is going to cut the gordian knot of the two Koreas, and force Russia to decide to maintain the status quo or opt for change.
In case anyone wonders, I am not a fan.

Look how old the Korean war is.
China will also have to decide.
Trump is fully capable of using nukes.

I had a friend that fought there in 1950, and like my father who fought at Kohima in 1945, the battle at chosin was an epic and often forgot battle:

"In the winter of 1950, 15,000 U.S. Soldiers and Marines were surrounded and trapped by an overwhelming force of communist Chinese soldiers in the frozen mountains of North Korea. Facing impossible odds, the men fought 78 miles to freedom and saved the lives of 98,000 civilian refugees."

I always like to turn over the page and see what is written on the other side. Be interesting to see the version told by communist Chinese soldiers.

phuketrichard wrote: Yea Kurtz

my dad was a surgeon on the front lines in Korea.... told me "war is hell"

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:54 pm Yea Kurtz

my dad was a surgeon on the front lines in Korea.... told me "war is hell"

no shit. And a big leader of the world recently reveiled along the lines: " I never knew that things could be so complicated, very complicated...".

Duncan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:38 pm



I always like to turn over the page and see what is written on the other side. Be interesting to see the version told by communist Chinese soldiers.

Exactly:
So concerned with the possibility of Chinese intervention, Truman had ordered MacArthur not to approach the Yalu River, the border between North Korea and China. To be sure, MacArthur's forces had been battling smaller units of Chinese forces fighting alongside North Korean troops since late October. The belief was that these soldiers were volunteers, no doubt countenanced by the Chinese government, but not acting for it.

MacArthur agreed with the CIA and refused to believe that Mao would be so reckless as to take on the might of the world's greatest superpower, armed as it was with nuclear weapons. Additionally, he perhaps also believed, as the CIA did, that communist China was dancing to the tune that Joseph Stalin was calling from Moscow. What many failed to understand, however, was that despite his communist alliance with the Soviet Union, Mao was eager to prove himself to the world as his own man.

For Mao, however, the conflict reflected not only a foreign policy within the context of the Cold War, with whatever potential advantages and risks came with it, but participation in the war had an important domestic angle as well.

MacArthur was forced to admit that the Chinese had indeed entered the war in earnest. On Nov. 28, he sent a message to Washington in which he stated that “We face an entirely new war” and that the Chinese had appeared “in great and ever-increasing strength.” His disregard for Truman's warnings had led to disaster, though it is impossible to know if China would have intervened even if the U.N. forces had not advanced so far north.

The conflict lasted two and half more years. With Chinese help, the North Koreans were able to push back the U.N. forces to the approximate pre-war border. By the time hostilities ended in the summer of 1953, Stalin was dead, MacArthur had been relieved of command, and Truman was no longer in office. Mao, however, remained in power until his death in 1976. Approximately 3 million Chinese troops took part in the war, and an estimated 400,000 to 1,000,000 were killed in the conflict, though China's official number was only 152,000. Total U.N. military deaths, including Americans, numbered around 170,000. More than 1 million more Korean civilians were killed in the conflict.

yup, McArthur, Truman, the CIA etc etc left and went home. Mao, China, and North Korea stayed where they belong, also home. They are neighbours as well.

yes, of course 98000 civilian refugees saved, how else would you explain to folks at home yet another heroic battle fuckup based on flawed intel. 15000 is a good sized force. How overwhelming were the Chinese, and how were they equipped and supported (i e air) vs the US troops? How many civilian North Korean lives , of those who wanted to stay , did it cost? North Korea remained. Chinese still live next door undergoing their own evolution. Nobody needed from the outside, nor did they "request" anyones help.

AE86
You seem to be a fully paid up member of the conspiracy mob

!http://www.911myths.com/indexold.html

You won,t read any of this link cos your mind is made up!
charlie

tightenupvolume1 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:04 pm AE86
You seem to be a fully paid up member of the conspiracy mob

!http://www.911myths.com/indexold.html

You won,t read any of this link cos your mind is made up!
charlie

Followed your link and read some, proved you wrong.

Feedback on the website, one thing I'd steer clear from is trying to explain motives over physical evidence. I see a lot of explaining from the political or operation side, and very little regarding the evidence except a few shots of WTC 7 and comments. My WTC 7 comment is about when it was reported "collapsed" when it was still standing, not about if it was possible it could collapse.

But as for me, I'm not one of those people who thinks Bush had his hands on a detonation plunger in the white house, demonically laughing his head off while blowing up the World Trade Centres, but there are problems with the 911 story, fundamental problems with the official story that raise red flags for me. Where I stand at the moment though, is that I just don't know. I haven't read the redacted 28 pages, I haven't watched footage for hours on end, there's just two fatal anomalies that get me wondering. I'm no expert, but the things I do know tell me that something (I don't know what) is not right.

The first red flag regarding 911 for me was actually when I was either 14 or 15 at the time, and a huge fan of aviation (still am). I heard on the news in the U.S. the American airlines plane was traveling 560 mph I immediately yelled "Bullshit!" Ask any 757 pilot if 560 mph wind speed is doable in any way at sea level. It is physically impossible. EDITED: Because of new info, I believe I stand corrected on this. I was confusing the "never exceed speed", which is not an indicator of what the plane is physically capable of, but rather a recommended safe top speed from the manufacturer.

The second red flag for me is Flight 77's impact crater. A passenger airliner with a 180m wingspan leaves a 5m wide hole in a building?

I haven't heard any satisfactory answers to those yet, but if I do I'll gladly change my tone. I don't like not knowing what happened.

so best to ignore that site i linked then?
charlie