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OrangeDragon wrote: And this is what makes it a novelty. The fetishists don't make a large enough demographic.

And how many unit oculus sell of the DK2 ? A device with almost zero application , necessitating to tinkling with the operating system almost every time you want to do something and requiring an more than average powerful computer ?

Meanwhile the people who will find novelty in a cheap version are plentiful... thus an ideal target audience for app development.
Here when the ADSL was first introduce OD would have say. The device is expensive and not needed as almost everybody is connecting by land-line.
I prefer to work on the low cost well distributed technology.

OD VR is the next big thing in the computer world like internet was and like phone app also were at one time.

VR unit are expensive but like were the first computer when they came out. People still buy them even if compare to today the service offered where quite basic and the use not so easy to master.
Then came the constant increase in power capacity that make today first price unit more than adequate for everyday use, the increase continue and now even the phone are kind of overpowered for normal use.

VR put us back in the initial situation, you need so much power that you have to spend an amount deemed unreasonable for today standard, but like with the first computer the heart of the mater is that VR offer a service that can not be found any other way.

You can look any way you want the phone option (especially cheap one) can not compare experience wise and will not be able to do so for quite some time , given the fact that even today top computer (meaning a 3000$ piece of equipment ) would be inadequate for having an optimal experience ( FPS, resolution, latency wise ) you can wait long time before a portable option can play in the same field.

Many DK2 owner also have a phone option, they will tell you that while it is fun the experience is not on the same scale.
Phone will be fun but the main show will be on VR, this option is very popular now because presently THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE.
The DK2 is a developer kit and I can tell you by experience if fare but ve ry fare of being plug and play. Many people introduce to the device were bluff by it but do not considered it worthy to buy as once again there is not really any specific content and having to spend like 10 minutes doing preparation before using it is kind of killing the experience.
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More accurate would be ISDN lines or satellite based internet... or even SDSL. And that's exactly what happened...

People opted for the cheaper ADSL in every case, even the cases when it wasn't the "best option" such as SDSL... because the ADSL was cheaper and still met their basic needs.

This "next big thing" myth you're living under is amusing though. Again, until you can use it without cracking your shin on the coffee table or interacting in your actual physical space at all... it won't be useful.

When you have to clear out a room to make it plausible, it's too much hassle. Sure, there will be the fetishist you're talking about... there always have been back to the days of clunky low res high price VR rigs using vector line graphics. But they'll never make a driving market. You need something that applies to consumers... not just guys who collect super high end computers to show how big their internet penis is.
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And ho my but what can I see targeting this fetishist market :

- google : project morhpheus
- Facebook : oculus
- HTC : vive something
- Sony : VR for PS4
- Windows : hololens

The developer kit was a fetishist market between the end of this year and the beginning of this one all the major player come in targeting the mass market.

The phone is presently the novelty item not VR
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VR as a whole is novelty man... we'll wait and see I suppose since you won't get off your soap box. meanwhile I'll cash in on the 2 billion people with the main hardware already in their pocket.

As for the CES showcase products... where is the Google Glass right now?
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OrangeDragon wrote:VR as a whole is novelty man...

Nope VR has been around for quite a long time, more than 20 years in fact, just until recently it was reserved for expensive application.
The same guy who were working on those ealry VR are working on the application for the next generation.

For example concerning your granny objection " you cannot see what is around you, it is not practical I felt lost in the bright new world moving without me" ( it fact it applied also to the phone used in VR but I will kindly not comment at it )



More simple

http://blog.leapmotion.com/new-demo-swi ... e-gesture/


we'll wait and see I suppose since you won't get off your soap box. meanwhile I'll cash in on the 2 billion people with the main hardware already in their pocket.

Yes aim where the market seems to be now and not where it will be in one year :facepalm: .
Windows, sony, Facebook, Google are all rushing in and you can expect an high penetration for the VR equipment despite the price but the 2$ app for cheap phone is the way to go.
I supposed that in three years the 300$ phone will have the same power as the note 4 meaning capable of offering an experience that is at best a good introduction to what the oculus DK2 can do now.

As for the CES showcase products... where is the Google Glass right now?

The google glass are neither VR or AR, google has invested hundred of million on an AR solution but it is another project.

The google glass are a connected object not more different in essence to the apple watch. You should do basic research on the field :D .
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OrangeDragon wrote:As for the CES showcase products... where is the Google Glass right now?
Seriously? You're dumbing down the discussion (further!) by introducing that rubbish?
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its another example of something that was going to be "revolutionary" as it was coming out and got rave reviews at CES, and ended up being, as you say, a rubbish novelty that lost its fad status rather quickly. in a large part because of the cost to do what most of people's portable devices already did.

at the prices of tickets, the people at CES aren't exactly your average consumers. they're a clique of geeks who get all fired up about anything new and neat... but don't really represent the market at all. which is why a number of the new products they get excited about there fail to really launch.
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OrangeDragon wrote:its another example of something that was going to be "revolutionary" as it was coming out and got rave reviews at CES,

1 VR is already existing for quite a long time, the novelty is to sell it to the mass. Something equivalent to the Google glass did not exist before.
2 The google glass do not fundamentally offering a new experience, like the apple watch it is just a new way of displaying information that you would otherwise look on your phone. In both case I may add that the use is rather limited (input minimal, display basic and battery life limited) and I do not see what there was so much fuss on the google glass and over the apple watch now. VR on the opposite is offering an experience that is quite unique and cannot be compare with other display media.
Playing a game in 2D and the same in 3D and you cannot play the 2D version anymore. Same with movie the DK2 is limited in resolution but still it is WAY more immersive than looking at a movie on a 3D screen. Having seen 3D animation and 3D movie made for the oculus I can guarantee you that only with those product you have justification enough for buying the device.
3 Exactly where are you in the US? In a stat who legalize weed ? Must be given the fact that you are exctatic with you toy phone and piece of cardboard, raving on about how this is so much a wonderful experience and the way to go, than without losing a beat explaining why the oculus which is what you have power 10 is an hot air balloon not worth considering .

and ended up being, as you say, a rubbish novelty that lost its fad status rather quickly. in a large part because of the cost to do what most of people's portable devices already did.

OD seriously try the oculus your phone is nowhere near offering the same experience, and one major difference between your option and mine is that the oculus experience will improve considerably with the comercial version in 9 month when your option will basically stay at the same level.

at the prices of tickets, the people at CES aren't exactly your average consumers. they're a clique of geeks who get all fired up about anything new and neat... but don't really represent the market at all. which is why a number of the new products they get excited about there fail to really launch.

This would be quite convincing if you had not Sony, Windows, HTC, Facebook and Google all having reach the conclusion that VR and AR were where the future would be. The five proposing 5 device rather different from one another.
Of course the 5 could have converge independently and in a different way on a technological dead end but I seriously doubt it.
Any way app for phone will have a market if not the main one. On this one if you are not aiming on the next big thing you will be at least next to it.
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OrangeDragon wrote:its another example of something that was going to be "revolutionary" as it was coming out and got rave reviews at CES, and ended up being, as you say, a rubbish novelty that lost its fad status rather quickly. in a large part because of the cost to do what most of people's portable devices already did.

at the prices of tickets, the people at CES aren't exactly your average consumers. they're a clique of geeks who get all fired up about anything new and neat... but don't really represent the market at all. which is why a number of the new products they get excited about there fail to really launch.
I predict that the Rift will have a greater and wider revolutionary effect than Glass. Actual makes, not clones or evolutions.
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The glass at least had practical hope as augmented reality. Light, portable, etc. I honestly am still interested in getting one (or one of the chinese clones now...) for use at the office. Would be better than taking notes at a meeting to just set it on record and go, and have it look where i look so that it keeps track of the things relevant to me in the process. Overall it stood to do well, but its price point made it absurd. Fetishists or not.

Augmented reality is a HUGE market opportunity, and completely doable in a low cost solution backed up by ad/marketing finance. Imagine walking into the supermarket with your shopping list uploaded and right in front of you a path is laid out with your items highlighted on the shelf. No more wandering around looking for shit. Add in a few product highlights from advertisers with pop-up sale information/etc and you've funded the thing from the back.

Driving with directions printed on the road in front of you.
Uploading a design schematic and overlaying it on the in-progress product.

It's what MS is going for with the Hololens... and they stand a good chance of winning with it if they price it right. It will top pure-vr stuff in that it actually has practical use outside of games and a few 3D designers. Though it still seems way too bulky for portability.
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