Important Conjunction Words

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Important Conjunction Words

Postby thelost » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:45 pm

I think these conjunction words are very important.
They are like the mortar that holds the bricks together. Without mortar, the bricks fall apart. But then I think some conjunction words are not necessary used as we all know spoken language sometimes drop these words...

so I think these are the most common?

And so.... - jeng heuy.....

So then....... - jeng heuy gor....

just .... - terb... for example "he just got home" " vea terb mor pteah heuy"

Please feel free to share what you know from conversation experience. And please feel free to correct me too.
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Re: Important Conjunction Words

Postby Jamie_Lambo » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:42 am

thelost wrote:I think these conjunction words are very important.
They are like the mortar that holds the bricks together. Without mortar, the bricks fall apart. But then I think some conjunction words are not necessary used as we all know spoken language sometimes drop these words...

so I think these are the most common?

And so.... - jeng heuy.....

So then....... - jeng heuy gor....

just .... - terb... for example "he just got home" " vea terb mor pteah heuy"

Please feel free to share what you know from conversation experience. And please feel free to correct me too.
youve mentioned you can read/write khmer, it would be good if you could add this to your examples as well,
i personally am no longer a fan of romanized khmer tbh
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Re: Important Conjunction Words

Postby thelost » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:15 am

Jamie_Lambo wrote: youve mentioned you can read/write khmer, it would be good if you could add this to your examples as well,
i personally am no longer a fan of romanized khmer tbh
I know what you mean, I guess from now on, I'll write both in Khmer script and Romanised for others like taabarang.
You know, I have wondered why Khmer teachers teaching spoken Khmer didn't write colloquial Khmer in Khmer, instead of writing the correct written words and pronouncing differently?

ចឹងហើយ - Jeng heuy - and so / because of that so (depending on context) / that's it

example ចឹងហើយវា​មិនសម - jeng heuy wea min som - "because of that" not acceptable

example ចឹងហើយ! - jeng heuy! - that's it!!

ចឹង jeng is similar to ហ្នឹង nung in term of "that/this" but it's more stronger/emphasis while nung is more softer.

example ហ្នឹងហើយ!​ - nung heuy - of course / yes thats it
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Re: Important Conjunction Words

Postby Jamie_Lambo » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:58 am

thelost wrote:
Jamie_Lambo wrote: youve mentioned you can read/write khmer, it would be good if you could add this to your examples as well,
i personally am no longer a fan of romanized khmer tbh
I know what you mean, I guess from now on, I'll write both in Khmer script and Romanised for others like taabarang.
You know, I have wondered why Khmer teachers teaching spoken Khmer didn't write colloquial Khmer in Khmer, instead of writing the correct written words and pronouncing differently?

ចឹងហើយ - Jeng heuy - and so / because of that so (depending on context) / that's it

example ចឹងហើយវា​មិនសម - jeng heuy wea min som - "because of that" not acceptable

example ចឹងហើយ! - jeng heuy! - that's it!!

ចឹង jeng is similar to ហ្នឹង nung in term of "that/this" but it's more stronger/emphasis while nung is more softer.

example ហ្នឹងហើយ!​ - nung heuy - of course / yes thats it

right so your saying that the order goes something like this នេះ/នេាះ >> ហ្នឹង >> ចឹង depending on how much emphasis you want to put across :thumb:
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Re: Important Conjunction Words

Postby thelost » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:07 am

I think so, yes. However I think the word ហ្នឹង is much more flexible as it can be used in other ways or just as a filler at the end of the sentence (no meaning).

Like for example ទៅណាហ្នឹង? tov na nung?

maybe someone who is fluent khmer speaker can confirm this? is there really any native khmer speaker in this forum?
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Re: Important Conjunction Words

Postby Jamie_Lambo » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:46 pm

thelost wrote:I think so, yes. However I think the word ហ្នឹង is much more flexible as it can be used in other ways or just as a filler at the end of the sentence (no meaning).

Like for example ទៅណាហ្នឹង? tov na nung?

maybe someone who is fluent khmer speaker can confirm this? is there really any native khmer speaker in this forum?
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Re: Important Conjunction Words

Postby taabarang » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:16 pm

"thelost wrote:
I think so, yes. However I think the word ហ្នឹង is much more flexible as it can be used in other ways or just as a filler at the end of the sentence (no meaning).

Like for example ទៅណាហ្នឹង? tov na nung?"

Well I'm certainly no native speaker but I can verify that. However any of the locals will tell you that while it has no meaning it has function.
Namely it softens the sentence rendering it more polite than " tau na". Also frequently said in our village is Ta na neung?
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Re: Important Conjunction Words

Postby taabarang » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:51 pm

Thanks for the blast from the past UT. I had forgotten why I stopped contributing rural idiomatic speech for so long. Fuck book savy pedants.
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Re: Important Conjunction Words

Postby thelost » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:24 pm

well after reading the conversation from the link provided, i think my conclusion is that what taabarang learnt, is the speech of kompong chaam people, that's how they talk, you can say peasaa nek kompong chaam ភាសាអ្នកកំពង់ចាម.

we have to remember that every province in cambodia have their own way of speaking and pronunciation, and the textbook does not really accurately reflect "peasaaa niyeay" or "everyday talking" of a provincial person.

the textbook only reflect how to speak in a "formal neutral" way in situations like working in the office, government purposes, something formal and serious.

if i say something like វាស្នមហើយ អត់ចាំបេនធើអីទៀតទេ! - vea snom heuy , ot jam ben ter ey teat te. - it's alright, no need to do anymore. that's accent that's not correct by text book standard. i don't think you will be able to find "snom" "jam ben" in the dictionary, because it's dialect word.

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